Talk:Sicilian nobility

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Comments[edit]

It appears that your User:Italian-royalty/Nobility in sicily article cites sources, but it could use inline citations. You can use Reftools or this wizards to generate the full reference tag. This helps the article meet the requirements of verifiability. As I am not remotely an expert in the areas of Sicily or nobility, I would recommend getting input from other editors who are. You can drop a note at WikiProject Sicily, Wikiproject Italy and/or WikiProject Royalty and Nobility. If I find a few minor fixes I can make to your article, I'll go ahead and do it. I hope this helps. P. D. Cook ^{Talk to me!} 14:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned up a few minor Manual of Style things and added a (poor) lead section. Feel free to rewrite the lead, but every article needs to have one. Another thing that is important is to provide wikilinks to the people mentioned in the article. Regards, P. D. Cook ^{Talk to me!} 14:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

I cited the Telegraph article inline, but the other ones are just formatted at the bottom of the article. They need to be placed inline appropriately. P. D. Cook ^{Talk to me!} 15:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Undue focus on specific families[edit]

Singling out the Ventimiglia and/or Serramarrocco families in this article is inexplicable, unnecessary, puffery and undue weight: there were hundreds of influential noble families in Sicily and to focus on these two is arbitrary, invidious and distorts the history of Sicilian nobility. Inline citations justifying the relatve prominence of Ventimiglia/Serramarrocco in this article are lacking. Other edits to the article have restored an unencyclopedic tone, non-neutral POV, and poor English grammar and diction. FactStraight (talk) 11:32, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments about the content of this article should be placed here on the talk page rather than on my talk page, please. Thankyou for explaining the motives behind information you have placed in the article and your reverts of others' edits, and I am sympathetic to your interest in preserving and portraying the history of Sicilian nobility. Unfortunately, much of the content is unsourced, POV or written in an adulatory tone that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. No one may exercise ownership of articles on Wikipedia, and accusing me of "racism" for deleting a portion of unsourced allegations about Sicilian nobles is a violation of civility and the assume good faith principles, as are other accusations unrelated to this article. All edits are welcome from anyone that can be properly sourced. It is fine to mention individual families in the article, but their status and role as Sicilian nobility must be based on reliable sources. I would have tried to edit these mentions in a way that allowed them to remain in the article if their notability relative to other Sicilian nobles was cited, but I could see no evidence to that effect. To state that "most" Sicilian nobles have emigrated must either be cited to a secondary source (unfortunately your personal research cannot be used, unless it has been published by a reputable third party), or you must list every Sicilian noble and document a computation that 50%+1 have moved out of Sicily -- or it must be deleted. I am confident that with better sourcing much of your content may be restored, but it is necessary to understand that a personal investment in the article's content cannot be used to justify unsourced and hyperbolic language. This tends to evoke skepticism about inclusion of articles on nobility in Wikipedia. I tried to carefully edit the article to save as much of it as I could that did not seem dubious, and with better sourcing we can work together to improve the article. Please. FactStraight (talk) 17:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry as English is mot my first language but you have erased in a highly racist manner very important information about the remaining noble Sicilian families in Switzerland. I can tell you are not Italian or educated in the history of the nation. Your edit reeks of vandalism and racism from the Anglospere. Why remove almost an entire section. To erase history this is why. Che vergogna e racismo I hope i put this in the right place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:ECBB:D640:943:897:2B21:3318 (talk) 01:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, he is totally right, plus Ventimiglia family is today extinct. I'm Italian and si scrive razzismo e non racismo! 93.47.41.6 (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]