Talk:Sideroxylon spinosum

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Have started off this page - re-using some text of my own from other projects. Please wikify or add links (from or to) as appropriate. Some pics of argan oil processing would be great. If anyone can convert the photo credit to a link to the relevant Flick file, that would be great too. Mark Nesbitt 21:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Added some links and a bit more botanical detail - MPF 14:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. By the way, are you sure argan is an orchard crop? My impression is that it is not planted, but is a wild tree. In which, orchard wouldn't be the right word. Mark Nesbitt 15:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

You may well be right; I was a little hesitant about putting it in but couldn't think of something else. Though equally, for regeneration of new trees to continue, there must be some human control (mainly stopping grazing, but also incomplete fruit harvesting and/or planting). - MPF 15:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are right, for now its a wild tree, but there are some experimentations going on to plant it, that would be of great benefits for the locals, as the tree is alas disapearing very quickly, because of desrtification and overgrazing --Khalid hassani 14:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Needs cleanup

A lot of the text here could use a lot of cleanup. I edited the fruit section because it was particularly bad. It stated 8k of fruit is the average annual yield. But 8k what? 8 kilograms? 8,000 fruits? I edited it to say kilograms because nothing else really makes sense. If somebody knows for sure, please make the change. Freshyill 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Tree goats

I think someone should put this in: [1] [2]. Remember 23:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a good pic I personally took of goats on argan

I don't have the time to followup/edit/submit it. If someone wants to do that, please contact me at as6699@hotmail.com. I would not charge for use. Totally free, but I would appreciate acknowledgement. Annie Simpson (US Fed Govt employee) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.11.38.160 (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

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This page should be linked to French Wikipedia's "Arganier"[3] page. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how to.

According to French Wikipedia, "Sideroxylon spinosum" is an older and now obsolete name for the same tree. ScarletPlanet (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@ScarletPlanet: in the English Wikipedia, we tend to follow Plants of the World Online, which currently has the species at Sideroxylon spinosum rather than Argania spinosa. Interwiki links are handled at Wikidata; I've now linked our article from Sideroxylon spinosum (Q379746) rather than Sideroxylon spinosum (Q21877442) which makes a very large number of interwiki links show up. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Peter Coxhead: Thanks for explaining. 21:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Argan in Tindouf ???

there is an Algerian compaign to claim everything that is of moroccan origin .. I'm sick of this...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317569413_Les_essais_pilotes_de_regeneration_artificielle_de_l'arganier_a_Tindouf_en_Algerie

Argan was artificially planted in TIndouf. it is a well known fact that it does not originate from there. Eeddahbi (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The range used to be wider, but has shrunk due to overuse. A source about artificial planting to try to help restore the tree population does not somehow mean that the trees had not been there before the overuse. MrOllie (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Nah .. You guys are crazy .. .. there were experiments in a lot of countries to plan Argan trees .. sometimes they grow but they don't produce oil .. so 'endemic' to Tindouf is kind of very biased and crazy ... seriously .. write whatever you want.. your goal is to influence people .. whoever comes to look for something Moroccan should see Algeria in it ... I saw that in a lot of Moroccan heritage in wikipedia .. where people add Algerian and insert some crazy sources .. or try to label them as Maghrebi when they fail to get a source that says it's Algerian .. that obsession is sick .. wikipedia should really consider change how things work Eeddahbi (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NPA. MrOllie (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Argan's exclusivity to souss

Fruit oils: Chemistry and Functionality by Mohamed Fawzy Ramadan page: 318 page 341 [4]

I quote:

" The Argan tree is a spontaneous, thermophilic and xerophytic tree. [...] The argan tree almost exclusively grows in Morocco.

[...] Before the pleistocene glaciations, the argan forest likely extensively covered very large areas in Northern Africa. However, the series of glacial events that characterized the pleistocene glaciations induced nearly total extinction [...] Providentially, in the Souss Valley(Morocco) a microclimate simultaneiously resulting from termerate oceanic conditions [...] prevented the argan tree commplete extinction. [...]

A. spinosa, an endangered species endemic to South-West Morocco, makes a specific and complex agro-sylvo-pastoral system, from financial, environmental and social standpoints."

it's not endemic to Tindouf, that's incorrect .. it was likely planted afterwards ... Argan tree is a UNESCO Heritage to morocco . Eeddahbi (talk) 16:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

These citations do not contradict what's in the article. In fact, likely extensively covered very large areas in Northern Africa they support it. No changes are needed. - MrOllie (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

that was a long time ago .. probably before even humanity existed lol ... it grows also in israel Super strain argan oil now made in Israel [5] .. but it was planted there .. it's not endemic to there .. it doesn't have the same quality Eeddahbi (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The origins of most plants are 'a long time ago' MrOllie (talk) 16:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Eeddahbi. Actually this source from the article says that it is native to both Morocco and Algeria. I find that surprising myself, but since the information is available in a reliable source, it cannot be disputed. If you're sure that the information is incorrect and want it modified, you'll have to either conclusively prove that the source is not reliable, or provide at least one reliable source that explicitly contradicts the statement.-- Ideophagous (talk) 17:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)