Talk:Skellefteå

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I think this article lacks three points:

1. How is Skelleftea pronounced? Both in English, in Swedish and in the local dialect of Swedish (if there is one). I have once heard something like “Shee-lef-tah” on a recording, but I am not sure if it was correctly pronounced. Can someone write it, in international phonetic alphabet if possible?

2. How is/should be a person from Skelleftea called in English? A “Skelleftean”?

3. Don’t you think this article should incorporate a section called “famous people from Skelleftea” or “notable Skellefteans” (is “Skelleftean” OK?) or something like that? This section must certainly include Andreas Hedlund (a.k.a. Mr V) of Vintersorg, Borknagar, Otyg and a number of other bands. I guess he is one of the biggest men ever have grown up in Skelleftea, right? --195.175.116.106 19:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1. Swedish - Shee-lef-teh-ough. Sh is often pronounced like Spanish J instead and I think it can go both ways. Ee is pronounced kinda like the e in elk. Ough is pronounced like in bought or fought. I'm not sure how locals pronounce it because I've never been there. I don't think there is any standard English pronouncation of the name, but I guess Ske-left-eh-ah or Ske-lef-tah are common.
2. No clue, in Swedish it's Skellefteåbo. Skellefteåan sounds most logical to me as a Swede but "eåa" might be hard to pronounce for you guys :p
3. Ok, I translated the one from Swedish wiki 84.216.45.159 14:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One comment on (2). Skelleftebo gets as many Google hits as Skellefteåbo. That extra –å syllable gets even more in the way when you combine with –bo.

The same principle applies to Umeå, Luleå, Piteå and other coastal towns in northern Sweden: –å in official writing and speech, frequently without –å in local writing, without –å in local speech, and even more so in combinations with other words.

JöG 20:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs some serious cleanup. Lots of irrelevant information, bad organization, lack of references, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.219.218.96 (talk) 06:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The long-standing info about river Skellefteå forming a linguistic border on the 16th century appears to have been removed[edit]

The info about river Skellefteå forming a linguistic border on the 16th century appears to have been removed from the article. The info has been a part of the article for a long time. I suspect that user Thomas.W has been the antagonist, as after re-installation he has today reverted the info away three times. For the river having been the linguist border river, a highly regarded linguist and ethnologist Kustaa Vilkuna has been provided as a source. For Thomas.W to pursue removing this info all of a sudden in wrong, especially as he has declined to present any contradicting information. I am reinstalling the info to the page now, and I repeat below what I have written to Thomas.W before, extending the plea to everyone else too:

"If some study published after Vilkuna's study contradicts his teaching, please present it, along with an exact quote and a source. If such study exists, perhaps we can include that one too."

I am also reinstalling to the article's history section the info reverted by Thomas.W about two remarkable discoveries made in Skellefteå, which are c. 5200 years old skis, possibly the oldest in the world, and a medieval hat, which has been describes as the best-preserved medieval hat in the world. If anyone wishes to explain why these pieces of information, along with sources, should not be mentioned, please do so here.

I shall now also reinstall to the article the traditional old Finnish name for Skellefteå, which is Heletti.[1][2] If anyone opposes the presentation of any part of my edit, please explain precisely what part and way. The info and sources presented in this edit are widely used and accepted in other articles in Wikipedia. Below are the paragraphs of text removed by Thomas.W, which I shall now reinstall with sources (in the article, there'll be two other paragraphs in between these):

The Kalvträskskidan ski found in Skellefteå in 1924 has been dated to 3623–3110 BC, based on a radiocarbon study. It is possibly the oldest ski ever found anywhere. Two years later, a similar ski from the same era - possibly a pair - was found 200 meters apart from the place of the discovery of the first ski.[3][4][5][6]
A radiocarbon study conducted in 2014 on the so-called Lappvattnet hat shows human activity in Skellefteå also in the Middle Ages. The hat was discovered in 1938 from a bog in Lappvattnet, outside the locality of Burträsk, situated in the Skellefteå Municipality.[7][8]
The linguist, historian and professor of ethnology Kustaa Vilkuna (1902–1980) has specialized in the history, language and ancient place names of Norrland. Accoding to Vilkuna, in the 16th century the river Skellefteå marked the border, south of where was inhabited by primarily Swedish-speaking people, knows as the Hälsinglanders. The region to the north of the river was still at that point inhabited by people who spoke Finnish and/or the Finno-Ugric Sami languages. [9][1]
In medieval texts, the Finnic people inhabiting the northern coastal area of the Bay of Bothnia were referred to as Kvens and their land as Kvenland.[2][10][11] A contemporary description of the location of the medieval Kvenland is provided in the account of Ohthere of Hålogaland (c. 890 AD), according to which the Cwenas lived in Cwena land, immediately north of Sweoland.[12] Similarly, according to another contemporary description provided in Leiðarvísir og borgarskipan, a guidebook for pilgrims written in 1157 AD, Skellefteå at the time was a part of Kvenland:[2][13]
Closest to Denmark is little Sweden (Svíþjóð), there is Öland (Eyland); then is Gotland (Gotland); then Hälsingland (Helsingaland); then Värmland (Vermaland); then two Kvenlands (Kvenlönd), and they extend to north of Bjarmia (Bjarmaland). From Bjarmia, uninhabited lands stretch in the north to the borders of Greenland (Grænland).[14]
During the reign of Christina, Queen of Sweden, a proclamation of 1646 called for the burning of houses of those Finnish-speaking people who did not want to learn Swedish in the area of the modern-day country of Sweden. Thereafter, various laws and regulations were passed to speed up the "Swedification" - assimilation to the mainstream Swedish society - of the Finnish-speaking population inhabiting the modern-day area of Sweden, which included the total banning of the use of Finnish language. Reading books written in Finnish led in some cases to imprisonment still in the 18th century.[15] Åsa Gunilla (talk) 01:10, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Kainuu-Kvenland: Missä ja mikä? Vilkuna, Kustaa. Suomalaisen kirjallisuuden seura. Helsinki, 1958. Book is in Finnish, Swedish translation published in 1969.
  2. ^ a b c Julku, Kyösti: Kvenland - Kainuunmaa. With English summary: The Ancient territory of Kainuu. Oulu, 1986.
  3. ^ A ski found in Skellefteå in has been dated to 3623–3110 BC. Västerbottens museum, Sweden: "Den är förstås världens äldsta bevarade skida".
  4. ^ Berg, Gösta: Kalvträskskidan. Umeå, Västerbotten. 1933. Pages 47-50.
  5. ^ Sundfeldt, Jan: Hur hamnade världens äldsta skida i Kalvträsk. I alla väder. 1984. Pages 40-42.
  6. ^ Åström, Kenneth: Skidan från Kalvträsk. Umeå, Västerbotten. 1993. Pages 129-131.
  7. ^ The Lappvattnet hat. Exploring the medieval hunt. Posted on 19 March, 2015.
  8. ^ A medieval hat discovered in 1938 in the village of Lappvattnet, outside Burträsk. SPÅR från 10 000 år (in Swedish). Posted on March 20, 2015.
  9. ^ Kansatieteilijän työpöydältä: Kainuu-Kvenland. A collection of studies and writings by Kustaa Vilkuna. Edited by Janne Vilkuna. Suomalaisen kirjallisuuden seura, Helsinki, 1989. Page 147. ISBN 951-717-562-0.
  10. ^ Tornionjoki- ja Kemijokilaakson asutuksen synty. Nimistötieteellinen ja historiallinen tutkimus. Vahtola, Jouko. Pohjois-Suomen Historiallinen Yhdistys, 1980. ISBN 9517490143. Pages 459-488.
  11. ^ Suomi kautta aikojen. Zetterberg, Seppo and Tiitta, Allan. Otava, Helsinki. 1997. ISBN 951-1-11078-0. Page 31.
  12. ^ Ohthere's description in Old English Orosius. The travel account by Ohthere in Old English.
  13. ^ Rafn, C.C. Antiquités Russes II, pages 404–405.
  14. ^ Rafn, C. C. Antiquités russes II, pages 404-405. Translation provided here is by the author of the study.
  15. ^ Metsäsuomalaiset Ruotsissa ("Forest Finns in Sweden"). Wallin Väinö. Otava, Helsinki, 1898.

Article protected[edit]

@Åsa Gunilla and Thomas.W: As the two of you are engaged in an edit war over the ancient history of this city, I decided to protect the article for a week rather than resort to more forceful measures. Please proceed down the Straight and Narrow! Favonian (talk) 09:49, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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IPA[edit]

Can someone add an IPA transcription for the pronunciation of this city's name? It seems to be /ɧɛlɛftɛ/, though I am not sure enough to add it myself. Geolodus (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Climate[edit]

Someone should revisit the "Climate" section in light of this brutal winter. Is it really warming there? 70.19.75.187 (talk) 01:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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