Talk:Small Indian mongoose

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Note re map[edit]

The distribution map does include southeastern Iran and a part of Iraq. The missing polygon over Saudia Arabia, Oman + Jordan is NOT a flaw of this page or this map. But perhaps one in the iucn rl assessment. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is a flaw on the assessment's part, yes, but the fact that the page uses the map is not something we can ignore. Pointing out a missing part of the map doesn't hurt. Ddum5347 (talk) 16:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nader (1989) about mammals of Saudi Arabia did not list this mongoose as occurring in country. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mallon & Budd (2011) conducted a workshop on Red Listing carnivores of the Arabian Peninsula, but pax did not list the small Indian mongoose in ANY country of the peninsula. I therefore think that the mention of Saudi Arabia + Oman in iucn RL assessment is erroneous. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How do we proceed from here then? Ddum5347 (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2] These sources list it as native to Saudi Arabia. Ddum5347 (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

None of these 2 indicate sources for this claim nor any locality record in country. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Would they themselves not be sources? And how many other countries have locality records? Ddum5347 (talk) 17:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would not use these as sources. Will add locality records in other countries. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Ddum5347 (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Elmidae, Chipmunkdavis, Jts1882, and Enwebb: please advise how to handle this contradiction re distribution of the small Indian mongoose:

Nader (1989) about mammals of Saudi Arabia did not list this mongoose as occurring in country
Mallon & Budd (2011) compiled results of a workshop on Red Listing carnivores in the Arabian Peninsula, but pax did not list the small Indian mongoose in ANY country of the peninsula
however, iucn red list assessors (2016) did list Saudi Arabia + Oman as range country, but withOUT showing these 2 countries in the map. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IUCN cites Handbook of the mammals of the world (Gilchrist et al. 2009) for its country list. However, this nature paper also cites Gilchrist et al. 2009 for a list of countries, without listing Saudi Arabia or Oman. I would treat it as an error in the IUCN text, unless someone has Gilchrist to hand. CMD (talk) 07:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Above list of countries is in line with historical locality records compiled by Veron et al. (2006) available at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230280673 : see Fig 2 on page 5. And in this one also : 0 historical record in Saudi Arabia + Oman. Puzzling is, at least for me, that Veron + Jennings were co-authors in Gilchrist et al. (2009). So were any records in the 2 countries published between 2006 + 2009 that not even Mallon & Budd (2011) were aware of? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a confusion of some sort with another Herpestidae species by the assessors. I'm wondering how I'll have to change the mammals pages now. Ddum5347 (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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