Talk:Social protection in France

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When and what were the "first laws"?

The article says that the first state welfare benefit laws in France were in the 19th century - but it does not give the dates of these "first laws" or give any real information about them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:2CC2:C9B5:3C98:FC65 (talk) 12:36, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Social protection in France → Welfare in France – The term social protection in this context seems nothing but a bad translation of French term for welfare, protection sociale (the French article is at fr:Protection sociale en France). Social protection is a term much less used than welfare; as our article states, it's a specialized term used in UN speak. Category:Welfare by country is the primary applicable category - note we don't even have Category:Social protection. This article is also clearly a part of Welfare in Europe series (there is none, nor will there ever be, social protection in Europe series...). Category:Social protection in France should be deleted, too (see the cat link for relevant AfD), with Category:Welfare in France remaining as the main category for this article after its move. Let me present some popularity usage in sources: 1) "welfare in France": 350 Google Books hits, 2) "French welfare": 4,180 hits, 3) "social protection in France": 75 hits, 4) "French social protection": 450 hits. In case anybody wonders about the use of term social protection outside France: "social protection in the United Kingdom": 1 hit, "social protection in Germany": 22 hits, "social protection in Spain": 7 hits... respective welfare variants get 10-100 hits more. (On that note, a French speaker should investigate whether an article on welfare is correctly interwikid to fr:Bien-être, I don't think so, but my french is just intermediate level). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2013 (UTC) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The nominator's position is based on an assertion that "the term social protection in this context seems nothing but a bad translation of French term for welfare". That's patently false: in Ireland, for example, these matters are the function of the Department of Social Protection.
Several different sets of terminology may be used to cover the topic, including:

social protection (e.g. Ireland and France)
social security (used in the US to refer to retirement/disability support, but it also has a broader meaning as set out at social security)
social insurance, where support is provided on an insurance basis
social welfare (see 7 million hits on Google books)
welfare, an American usage

Given the diversity of usages, Wikipedia should follow the terminology used in the country under discussion rather than trying to impose the American perspective of omitting the "social" context. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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