Talk:Squat (exercise)

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Records

Sorry, I do not know how to edit very well, but I updated the squat world record page. It had Donnie Thompson at 1300lbs, but that was not a good lift. Here: http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/files/PLWR-M-02-20-12.pdf is a very reliable source of the records. I changed the record to reflect that, but do not know how to change it for citations. If someone could cite that source, that'd be great.

Allege?

It's pretty well known that squats are terrible for you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigboy (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Any orthopedic surgeon, physical therapist or exercise physiologist will tell you that not only are they NOT HARMFUL, but in fact hugely beneficial for muscles, tendons, and joints. And unlike you, they can back their claims up with thousands of peer reviewed scientific articles:[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] etc etc. Show me one peer-reviewed article saying squats are bad for you and I will eat my hat. -Lurkmolsner (talk) 14:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Who took out my note about steroids and world records

The records are fake, stop hiding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 19:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

What's your source? If you don't have a reliable source, your biased personal opinions and viewpoints should not be included. Please review WP:OR for further clarification and refrain from re-adding the material.--Yankees76 (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

One of us doesn't know much about natural human strength and competitive lifting :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 03:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Your baseless veiled personal attack aside, you still need sources - this isn't a soapbox, it's an encyclopedia. One of us is unable to grasp that fact. --Yankees76 (talk) 12:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

At best maybe we could state whether or not some world records were done in parallel with confirmed drug testing, but a lack of drug testing isn't necessarily an affirmation that drugs were present. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Request: Specific muscles trained and used during a squat

Could someone with knowledge or good researching skills please edit the article so that a specific passage is included about which muscles are activated and trained during the exercise, both major and minor muscles? Thank you. 123.243.151.30 (talk) 14:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Dubious

Squats are considered one of the big 3 exercises, but they are not conceded to be the "king." Deadlifts (in a uniformly trained athlete) are heavier, and cannot be cheated (with limited range of motion) like squats. Regardless, the only lift I've ever heard called the "king" is Olympic cleans, because it is the one lift in which one can get the highest possible weight overhead. This is far from a uniform colloquialism and I recommend we just take it out. -Lurkmolsner (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Face the wall squat

Added a few lines under Variants section and a redirect. This is a widely known exercise. Several good videos on YouTube. For the Chinese sub-variant there are 855,000 hits on Google (面壁蹲墙). Earliest written work seems to dates to 1985 but the book was quoted to say this is a traditional Chinese martial arts exercise. I have not seen the book. Took me three years to become proficient at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew.ma.canada (talk • contribs) 22:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Paul Anderson

The Paul Edward Anderson article mentions him doing a 1,202 lb squat for 2 reps. Shouldn't that be mentioned in the records section? Or is it too 'unofficial' like some of his other feats of strength. Kashikom (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Parallel?

From the "Form" section:

"The squat can continue to a number of depths, but a correct squat should be at least to parallel."

What is parallel to what? How can something be more parallel or less parallel? The jargon used here should be explained for the benefit of people who come to the article to learn. Thanks, CBHA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:23, 5 August 2011 (UTC).

I have added the following definition to the "form" section in response to the above comment as I agree it deserved extra explanation for the uninitiated: "where the hips have descended to the same level as the knees, so that a line between the knee and hip joints would be parallel with the floor". If there is a more concise or correct definition please feel free to substitute it. --Davidmir (talk) 23:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I added a short paragraph describing both the standard competition squat as well as common alternative definitions--"hamstring parallel," "femur parallel," and "quad parallel." For what it's worth, I think the usage of "parallel" is extremely confusing and should be minimized elsewhere in the article.75.187.45.215 (talk) 13:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Image

A different image should be used where the caption reads "The parallel back squat is the most common," as the squat depicted in the image is not to parallel. This image, for example, makes the markers of squat depth clear. 76.99.20.152 (talk) 19:00, 23 December 2011

Variants

Since there are so many squat variants listed on this article, I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to organize them. Should they be put in alphabetical order? Or could we perhaps categorize them based on some kind of shared criteria? I'm going to get the bar rolling so to speak by making a 'barbell lifts' versus 'non-barbell'. Any other ideas? Y12J (talk) 09:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC) GOBLET SQUAT - What about the goblet squat? I've read that, because the dumbbell is held closer to the body's center of gravity, and since the elbows pass between the knees, encouraging hip external rotation, the maneuver is safer. This recurs in Men's Health magazine, but I'm unaware of scientific trials to back it up. Still, it should be listed by someone more knowledgeable than I. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deopressoliber (talk • contribs) 17:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The illustration doesn't depict proper form

The squat illustrated isn't parallel : 1 The position could not be balanced in real life (the back is vertical, behind the balance point on the feet and the bar is on it adding to the moment arm) and gives a wrong mental image to novices : 2

the grip used loads the wrists inappropriately making it hard to hold the weight on the back in a healthy position that's 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.90.202.29 (talk) 05:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

the lower illustration does however. 62.90.202.29 (talk) 05:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Illustrations are entirely male.

The illustrations for this article are all males. I think this makes it biased towards men, and while I know it's probably not intentional, it's kind of sexist. They do a good enough job though. Should we change that? 71.236.139.110 (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

ArthurJomasSmith replied:

It's very difficult to find copyright-free images of women squatting or of anyone willing to provide their image (female) doing a squat; that's why there are no illustrations of females. By all means, feel free to take a photograph of yourself if you're a female doing a proper squat (below parallel, knees tracking feet, back up and sans rounding, and barbell up on your traps. Feel free to smile in the photograph too). And no, we/Wikipedia are not sexists; we are trying to provide value for free and with very-limited resources.

Cheers ArthurJomasSmith 17:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC) ArthurJomasSmith, posted 17th February 2014

Often a good strategy if you are unhappy with a current image is to check it out at the commons and look in its category. commons:Category:Squat (exercise) does have a female images we could consider, Squat woman.jpg which was added April 2011, showing a back squat. Is it just me or does the bar look a bit uneven though? Presently the only live image I see here is the medicine ball pistol squat at the bottom, everything else is illustrations. All the category illustrations are male so you would need to get an artist who does a female squatting to submit it to the commons and give permission to use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:39, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

HACK SQUAT

"Hack squat – the barbell is held in the hands just behind the legs; known in Germany as Hacke (heel [squat]) because the barbell would sit behind the ankles, popularised in the English-speaking countries by early 1900s wrestler Georg Hackenschmidt. Also called a rear deadlift."

Or rather because the heels are joined. The hack squat was a squat performed the way Prussian soldiers used to click their heels ("Hacken zusammen") See the interesting explanation Emmanuel Legeard gives of it (in: Les Fondamentaux, 2008). The old pictures of the movement prove this, and it matches Hackenschmidt's description given in The Way to Live.

213.200.255.76 (talk) 11:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC) B. Luthi

Thank you very much, B. Luthi. The intriguing new elements you provide definitely help shed a new light on the lift, and thus add strong value to the article. Since they are backed with solid references, I incorporate them into the article's main body. --ThalèsWasHere (talk) 09:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I think Pistol Squats need their own entry

As titled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:8502:AB00:B14E:6E57:89B4:51F2 (talk) 04:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

They are mentioned under the 'bodyweight' section. Go ahead and do a pistol squat article if you want though, just source it so someone doesn't come along and delete it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

genu valgum

Should we discuss the risk of this in 1-legged squat variants? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

New Additions!

Hey friends,

I have added some information on the page, including how to calculate volume and the effect of resistance on squats. I have also added some specific studies that examined the effects of degrees of depth and knee placement.

Under the injury section, I added "Squats Used in Physical Therapy" to capture how squats can be used for rehabilitation.

Furthermore, during my editing process, I noticed that this page could be re-organized. Do you have any thoughts on how we could consolidate this information?

Feel free to comment and edit my additions as you see fit. Anguyen 500 (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Types

• Steinborn Rockover squat / Steinborn Squat

Didn't know where to put it. 185.18.60.184 (talk) 07:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)