Talk:St. James Conference

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Pending expansion[edit]

With the stub-length page presently tagged as "Needing cleanup," I'm about to contact the editors of the far more extensive page in the Hebrew Wikipedia to determine the validity of its sources. I'll then translate it to English for insertion here. Should the content require further authentication, that would take longer, but it'll remain on my To-Do list. Meanwhile, readers of English can avail themselves of the information available on the External links. -- Deborahjay (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Although that would be an improvement, the aim should be for an article based mostly on English sources. Otherwise most editors here can't check the sources or challenge them. Incidentally, am I reading the Hebrew incorrectly or does it say that Amin al-Husseini led the Arab delegation? Actually he was explicitly excluded. Zero^talk 22:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I intend to add the content written below to the end of the St. James Conference page. I plan to add this right after the last paragraph to describe the consequence and conclusion of the conference. In addition, I plan to add a citation that represents the information I wish to add. If anyone would like to make comments regarding these changes, please let me know either on this Talk page or on my Talk page.

“The White Paper of 1939, which was published two months after the St. James Conference concluded, emerged as a direct consequence of this conference. In the White Paper of 1939, the British government reevaluated their mandatory duties and seemed to propose an independent Palestine that more heavily favored the Arab majority. Promises made in the White Paper include the British claiming they would restrict and implement limitations on Jewish immigration and Jewish land purchase. The British government also promised to help develop a government that incorporated both Arabs and Jews and also promised full independence within ten years.

Both Jews and Arabs rejected the proposals put forth in the White Paper of 1939. Jews believed the proposals presented in the White Paper went against promises made to them in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Palestinian Arabs rejected the White Paper because it failed to promise them immediate independence with a stop to Jewish immigration. As a result, both the St. James Conference and the White Paper of 1939 which was created as a consequence of the conference failed to achieve a solution to the conflict in Palestine.”

^[1] Katherinebratkiv (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think using only one source on that matter is not acceptable especially source from one side of the debate.Please look for additional sources Also on the main article it says it was accepted by Arabs?So which one is true?--Shrike (talk) 07:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also this article on conference not about the whitepaper so I don't think we should give it too much space relative to the small size of the article.--Shrike (talk) 07:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In response to the comment about whether the Arabs rejected or accepted the White Paper, I have found through research that the popular sentiment among Palestinians was acceptance of the policy, however the Higher Arab Committee in June of 1939 rejected it. I changed my content to reflect that. In addition, I found another source from author Allon Gal, an Emeritus Professor of Modern Jewish History from Ben-Gurion University. His book represents the opposite side of the conflict and refers to the Jewish outcry and rouse to action because of the St. James Conference. In addition, I tried to cut down the length of the entry while still retaining the information I wish to add. The following reflects the changes I have made to the content I wish to add to this article.

“The White Paper of 1939, which was published two months after the St. James Conference concluded, emerged as a direct consequence of this conference. The British government reevaluated their mandatory duties and seemed to propose an independent Palestine that more heavily favored the Arab majority through promises restricting Jewish immigration and land purchase.

Jews rejected the policy because they believed the proposals presented went against promises made to them in the Balfour Declaration. The Higher Arab Committee, later followed by all the Arab states, rejected the White Paper even though many of their demands were met because they wanted to halt immigration and make Palestine an Arab state immediately. Their decision of rejection went against popular sentiment among Palestinians. Both the St. James Conference and the White Paper failed to achieve a solution to the conflict in Palestine.”

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Katherinebratkiv (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Khalidi, Rashid (2007). The iron cage : the story of the Palestinian struggle for statehood (1st ed. ed.). Boston: Beacon Press. pp. 114–115. ISBN 9780807003091. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help)
^ Cohen, Michael J. (2014). Britain's moment in Palestine : retrospect and perspectives, 1917-48. London: Routledge. p. 360. ISBN 978-0-415-72985-7. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ Gal, Allon (1991). David Ben-Gurion and the American alignment for a Jewish state. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. p. 48. ISBN 0-253-32534-X. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

[1] Khalidi, Rashid (2007). The iron cage : the story of the Palestinian struggle for statehood (1st ed. ed.). Boston: Beacon Press. pp. 114–115. ISBN 9780807003091. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); |edition= has extra text (help)

[2] Cohen, Michael J. (2014). Britain's moment in Palestine : retrospect and perspectives, 1917-48. London: Routledge. p. 360. ISBN 978-0-415-72985-7. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

[3] Gal, Allon (1991). David Ben-Gurion and the American alignment for a Jewish state. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. p. 48. ISBN 0-253-32534-X. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

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