Talk:St Sophia Greek Orthodox Church, Surry Hills

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Where is it exactly?[edit]

The NSW SHR describes it as being in Darlinghurst but the Greek Orthodox church says it is in Surry Hills and Commons has it in Surry Hills. Which one is correct? Kerry (talk) 07:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This happens a bunch with the SHR in Sydney. Google Maps (which IME locates within gazetted suburb boundaries) places it in Surry Hills. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:05, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kerry Raymond and The Drover's Wife: I've moved this article and talk page from Bourke Street Congregational Church and School to St Sophia Greek Orthodox Church as it's now commonly known as a Greek Orthodox church and its history, as a Congregational church, goes back to the period from 1880s to the 1930s, when it closed. Since the 1980s its been a Greek Orthodox church. And I confirm that the boundary between Darlinghurst and Surry Hills is about a block away, placing the church in Surry Hills. Rangasyd (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object in principle to moving it to its modern name, but the problem with that title is that it gets quite ambiguous between this church and Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Sydney, as they're located geographically very close together and are sometimes referred to with language that is interchangeable: only the common-but-not-always use of "cathedral" for the other building and the street addresses reliably tell the two apart. I had a lot of trouble when I was trying to put together this article working out which source was referring to which church in places. I think it should be at least at ", Surry Hills" to distinguish it from the Paddington cathedral, and both articles should probably have disambiguation headers. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rangasyd and Kerry Raymond: thoughts? The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like the present name is the "common name" so that should be the primary title, but I think we need to make clear with alternate names listed in the lede and with redirects and with hatnotes for disambiguation on this article and any that might be confused with it, that collectively addreses the various names, denomination and suburbs, so that the reader can be sure if this is the the article they seek, and if not, where they should be looking next. We have all those tools at our disposal, let's make the most of them. Kerry (talk) 11:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kerry Raymond and The Drover's Wife: I propose:

Moving this article to St Sophia Greek Orthodox Church, Surry Hills. Already done
Adding alternative titles to this article's lede. Already done
Creating disambiguation/redirect pages for the alternatives titles. Some are already done
Adding content to the List of churches dedicated to Holy Wisdom (aka Saint Sophia Church) that embraces both the Surry Hills church and the Paddington cathedral.

Are there any other suggestions? Rangasyd (talk) 09:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Surry Hills move isn't done, but I'm glad we agree otherwise. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me. Kerry (talk) 09:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]