Talk:Stan Kroenke

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Mental illness[edit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-owner-stan-kroenke-hunting-tv-channel-my-outdoor-motv-endangered-animals-trophy-a7868361.html 76.16.93.184 (talk) 03:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kroenke is taking a lot of public and easily cited criticism in the mainstream media for his plan to broadcast bloodsport. Seems to me like Wiki-worthy information. 76.16.93.184 (talk) 03:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bio prior to marrying Sam Walton's Daughter?[edit]

I'd always heard he was a Gym teacher at Columbia Missouri's Hickman High School prior to marrying into money (which was the cause of innumerable chuckles around town). Anyone got citations on his bio?T L Miles (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Denver Post Bio. Clearly this is not Kroenke: must have been the other Walton daughters husband (who have the ranch on old 63, south of town). For the record, Kroenke was born in Mora, Missouri, Benton County. He started his businesses from a student owned clothing store in Columbia while at the University, was friends with the Waltons, and invested in real estate. Anyone in Columbia can attest to the number of "Kroenke Group" real estate signs around town.T L Miles (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stan Kroenke is not married to Sam Walton's daughter. He is married to one daughter of Bud and Audrey Walton, Anne. James "Bud" Walton was Sam Walton's brother. Bill Laurie is married to Anne's sister, Nancy. Bill Laurie was a basketball player in college, Memphis State, I believe, and coached basketball at Rock Bridge High School in Columbia, MO before marrying Nancy Walton. Anne and Nancy Walton and Bill Laurie attended high school at Versailles, MO, about 65 miles southwest of Columbia near the Lake of the Ozarks. User: Ginatwo 08 August 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's uncited discussion of Kroenke's wealth pre-marriage. This needs to be cited or deleted.

Rams Move and Emotional Reactions[edit]

There is a great deal of material on this page unsupported by the citations. NFL relocation obviously evokes a lot of strong emotions, but this isn't the place for them. I'm tagging the section NPOV until it can be sorted out. 15:52, 13 January 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree

It is pretty factual. The part where the owners praise him should be left out, but I see your point.--CharlesDeMint (talk) 23:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with CharlesDeMint. I have not gone through the citations, however all the facts seem accurate to me. And I don't see any editorizlising. To me it reads like a list of facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.223.123 (talk) 01:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "Los Angeles Rams". Aren't they still the St. Louis Rams? WP ought not to jump ahead of the facts. Zaslav (talk) 02:55, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the citations in the move to LA, are based on sports writer opinion pieces. Its seems a very one-sided version of the story. Start a new page on controversies over the move, but putting how fans felt about the move and using St. Louis area sports writers as the source seems one-sided. Sources could be added to support Kroenke's move as well. So why not just state the facts of the move. 1) He took city to arbitration and they ruled in his favor. 2) He teamed up with Stockbridge to build a new stadium 3) City and task-force countered with new stadium on river front. 4) NFL owners rejected city of St. Louis proposal and allowed team to move back to LA.

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Removal of content[edit]

Edits have been made by 2605:E000:1523:81:CC3B:6487:72DF:B7FD, but I do not understand why content is being removed. Please explain this to me before reverting. I would like to make sure that this complies with policy. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Original research[edit]

Trying to avoid an edit war - this sentence keeps getting added back into the article:

Since ownership, none of Kroenke's sport teams have won their respected championships.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordo-kroenke-s-u-s-teams-have-struggled/article_5a03c2d5-cda7-5a09-b7ca-26c994ad12ce.html |title=Gordo: Kroenke's U.S. teams have struggled |publisher=STLToday.com |date= 2016-01-05|accessdate=2016-01-20}}</ref>

Unfortunately, the cited source doesn't actually say that. Which makes it original research. The closest the article comes is "his major North American sports enterprises have faltered in recent years". The assertion is also factually inaccurate (the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup the year after he took over the team). If this kind of statement is to be included, we'll need to first find a legitimate source for it. Thanks! SixFourThree (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Yes I agree the Avalanche did win in 2001, as we know Kroenke bought the team at the start of that season (2000) so in reality it wasn't any effect of his moves, since he's owned them they have faltered far away from the 2001 team. Nonetheless, you are correct and perhaps it should be edited to say "Kroenke's teams have faltered once under his ownership." -illusion87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illusion87 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That would be better, but there's also the small problem of Arsenal winning two consecutive FA Cups, which is a significant accomplishment. This seems more about finding negative things to say about him, which makes sense from a spurned St. Louis columnist but isn't really encyclopedic. SixFourThree (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]
We still have the inaccurate statement in the article - I'm going to pull the whole line. If we can find an encyclopedic way of including this information that enhances the article (rather than just airing one columnist's grudge), then we can put it back in. SixFourThree (talk) 16:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Relocation Edit War[edit]

We keep having the same lines added and deleted and added back again: I propose that try to eliminate the bias on both sides. I have pared down the section, removing the worst bias while retaining as many of the citations as possible. Frankly, most of the back-and-forth listing of dates and milestones belongs in a relocation article, not here. This should be about the man, not all the details of one of his projects. I hope this can help avoid an edit war. SixFourThree (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

I, too, agree that most of relocation information and controversy about the move belongs in a relocation article; or possibly the main Rams article. I can understand that many fans are unhappy when a team moves; a separate article could address the move from St. Louis, and perhaps any other controversies from the team's departures from Cleveland, Los Angeles and Anaheim. The name-calling and other defamatory language that been in this article at times is regrettable. Arkoutdoors (talk) 21:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are already separate articles on the History of the St. Louis Rams and the History of the Los Angeles Rams. The controversy over moves could be covered in these separate articles.Arkoutdoors (talk) 22:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with you both. We should pare this article down to simple facts about the man himself, and leave the stadium/relocation details to the other articles. I personally don't have a problem with stating that the relocation has made him a controversial figure in some quarters, beloved in LA and hated in St. Louis, as we have citations for those. But I wouldn't blow that out of proportion. SixFourThree (talk) 18:36, 1 March 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

I agree, put it to simple facts, condense the whole thing and we can link controversy associated with the move on the main NFL controversies page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_controversies#Team_relocation_controversies - illusion87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illusion87 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The bias is getting really blatant now. Listing that St. Louis Blues fans shouted Kroenke sucks has nothing to do with a biography on this person. Nor does original research like Missouri pondering removing him from their hall of fame (which did not happen) or his other name is St. louis enemy #1 These continual updates by one wiki user is an obvious fan that was hurt by the Rams move to LA. This type of commentary and original research has no place on Wikipedia and belongs in a typical "comments" section of an internet article. In addition this is clearly violating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1523:81:CD21:EF72:4CCA:F0AC (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles move/Arsenal controversy[edit]

There is direct controversy with this person around the move to LA and Arsenal, all of the points are sourced. Can we link to controversy associated with the move on the main NFL controversies page if the items seem to go against NPV? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_controversies#Team_relocation_controversies - illusion87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illusion87 (talk Illusion87 (talk) 20:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Illusion87: I'm re-reading your addition and I can't seriously see why this is worth an edit war. Your edits aren't even close to compliant with WP:NPOV. Can you give it another look? CityOfSilver 20:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@CityOfSilver:I'm trying to make this 100% compliant not trying to make problems as others defiantly have. For example this line here:

"In April 2010, Stan Kroenke said: "I'm going to attempt to do everything that I can to keep the Rams in St. Louis." I fail to see how this is opinion based? It's something he said, is sourced by reliable source, and is directly related to the controversy/move and a part of this persons recent history? Illusion87 (talk) 20:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Illusion87: Can I ask you a favor? Will you agree to stop adding contentious material, here and on National Football League controversies, until the talks about these edits have ended? It's hard to have a worthwhile discussion at the same time as your repeated violations of the edit warring policy. CityOfSilver 20:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Illusion87: I'm asking because in both cases, I've removed your WP:POV edits, restoring the stable versions of those articles, and you haven't restored them. Does this mean you agree and this is settled? CityOfSilver 21:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it is worth, I also support the removal of this content, Undoing contentious, WP:NPOV violations - Govindaharihari (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He owns a new team[edit]

They are called the Los Angeles Gladiators and will compete in the Overwatch League, a video game franchised top-tier competition that had a $20 million dollar buy-in. Feel free to add more information once the league gets rolling. MrWonderphul (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2017[edit]

Enos Stanley Kroenke, commonly known as Stan, is a... 64.71.3.58 (talk) 20:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: See MOS:NICKNAME. Lizard (talk) 20:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2020[edit]

I want to add how far arsenal have declined under his ownership. Citing the epl league standings from 2008 to 2020. https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18957835.invincibles-invisibles-decline-fall-arsenal-fc/ https://onefootball.com/en/news/the-complete-unravelling-of-arsenal-at-the-hands-of-stan-kroenke-30747014 VladTheImpelor1987 (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PratyyaG (talk) 14:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2021[edit]

On 19 April 2021 Kroenke announced that Arsenal FC would be one of 8 English Premier League sides to sign on for a new European Super League. On 21 April 2021 it was announced by the club that Arsenal FC would no longer be participating in the proposed competition. The decision to withdraw came after widespread anger and protest from fans, politicians, former and current players of the club, with much of the anger directed towards Kroenke as the club’s owner. 1.136.106.220 (talk) 03:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2022[edit]

If you look at the "Awards" section of his bio, it lists him as:

Two-time Super Bowl Champion

2001 Stanley Cup Champion

2010 MLS Cup Champion

2006 NLL Champion

2022 NLL Champion

This should be cleaned up for consistency. Either list the years of the two Super Bowls (1999 as minority owner, 2021 as full owner) or list the number of times he won the Stanley Cup, MLS Cup, and NLL Championship.

Also, he won Arena Bowl XIX in 2005 as minority owner of the AFL's Colorado Crush (majority owner was John Elway with the late former Broncos owner Pat Bowlen also having a share).

So this section should either read

1999 Super Bowl Champion

2021 Super Bowl Champion

2001 Stanley Cup Champion

2010 MLS Cup Champion

2006 NLL Champion

2022 NLL Champion

2005 Arena Bowl Champion

Or

2X Super Bowl Champion

1X Stanley Cup Champion

1X MLS Cup Champion

2X NLL Champion

1X Arena Bowl Champion


It will likely need updating soon if and when the Avalanche finish off the Tampa Bay Lightning in the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals, so whomever adds that should fix this formatting issue and add the Arena Bowl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.3.130.196 (talk) 21:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Aaron Liu (talk) 10:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's still missing the Arena Bowl XIX title the Colorado Crush won in 2005 as well as the Arsenal WFC Women's Super League championship in 2019. 73.3.130.196 (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2022[edit]

There are multiple inaccurate references to the LA Guerrillas on Stan's page.

1. Awards and honors

  • "2022 Call of Duty League Champion (as owner of the Los Angeles Guerrillas)"

In April 2022 the LA Guerrillas won Major II, one of four Major tournaments in the 2022 Call of Duty League season. Source: https://callofdutyleague.com/en-us/match/5766?b_version

In August 2022 the LA Thieves (a different team) won the Call of Duty League Championship. Source: https://callofdutyleague.com/en-us/match/6982?b_version

2. Personal life

  • "In 2022, Kroenke experienced a unique feat with four of his teams winning championships in the same calendar year - the Rams winning the Super Bowl (February), the Guerrillas winning the Call of Duty League Championship (April), the Mammoth winning the NLL Championship (June), and the Avalanche winning the Stanley Cup (June)."

Again, the Guerrillas did not win the Call of Duty League Championship in 2022. That means the first statement is also incorrect: Kroenke's teams did not win four championships in 2022. Prowasder (talk) 18:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done
1. I removed the part in the awards section; I don't think a win in one of four Major tournaments is particularly notable. Please let me know if you disagree with that judgement.
2. I updated the sentence, again not referring to the Major II victory.
Thanks for your request. Actualcpscm (talk) 18:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help[edit]

Please i need help 0786111886 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.210.145.243 (talk) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why didn’t Arsenal copy Bolton wanders and engage the fans for their feed back re the Kit 2A00:23C7:BFAD:6B01:80C1:903F:EC6E:C8FD (talk) 17:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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