Talk:Stephen House

Puff piece

House is to say the least controversial in Scotland. Perhaps the article should reflect that more.-88.104.240.86 (talk) 11:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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Met deputy too busy for questions on spy officer's relationship with woman

• https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/met-deputy-too-busy-for-questions-on-spy-officers-relationship-with-woman

John Cummings (talk) 17:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

And, from a few weeks ago, "Met chief: We will continue ‘disproportionate’ stop-and-search". I'll get round to adding these eventually if no one else does. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Met deputy says he 'can't apologise' for officers over Sarah Everard vigil

• https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/17/met-deputy-says-he-cant-apologise-for-officers-over-sarah-everard-vigil

John Cummings (talk) 16:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Commanding officer in infobox

Does anyone know if there's a way to specify Cressida Dick as House's superior/commanding officer as Assistant Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner in the infobox? In the same way as we'd name a Prime Minister or President served under as relevant contextual information for a Cabinet member's tenure (for example), it seems like it would be useful to be able to specify the Commissioner he was assistant and deputy to. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Article title

@Amakuru: How've you reached the conclusion that "Steve House" is the common name here? Did you see my edit summary here? Nothing's changed since then; the overwhelming majority of sources still use "Stephen". – Arms & Hearts (talk) 09:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Important cited source (Stephen House interview with The Scotsman) exists no more

Reference #2 which is used 13 times [citations a through m] to justify certain statements no longer exists.

Ross, Peter (14 April 2013). "Interview: Stephen House, Scotland's top policeman". The Scotsman. Retrieved 27 August 2015.

Clicking on the link results in a 404 Page Not Found Error

"We are sorry to say that you have found our 'sorry' page while visiting The Scotsman"

Are the statements supported by this citation going to be removed or can somebody provide an archived version of the article?

Archived version now added. Crowsus (talk) 08:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced claims

I'm not sure why this article is such a persistent target for unsourced claims about awards and honours, but as it seems to be so perhaps I should have begun a discussion here sooner. It's fairly clear to me that there's absolutely no situation in which unsourced claims about living people are acceptable in Wikipedia articles – that is, if for some reason this isn't obvious, "I saw it in a photo and therefore know it to be true, so sources aren't required" isn't an acceptable or coherent rationale. But perhaps there's something I've missed and Master Editor 10, AviationEnzo or someone else can enlighten me? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

It is widely accepted on Wikipedia that if a police officer, military personnel, royal family member, etc. is seen wearing official ribbons and/or medals in an authorized uniform then they have received the medal. Especially with Long Service medals and commemorative medals, they are just handed out without certificate or public notice and the only proof of award is wearing the medal or its ribbon. Especially in the UK and in some other countries, qualifications for these awards are posted (like the platinum Jubilee Medal link I posted) and if said individual meets the guidelines, they are believed to have received it unless stated otherwise. That is why when Jubilee medals are handed out, most senior military/police/royals/etc. Wikipedia pages are updated with the medal on its award date (February 6 for Queen Elizabeth IIs jubilees). If you go to almost any military person's page, many royal's pages, a lot of police officer's pages, you can see all their ribbons without any citation. As long as there are multiple photos of the person wearing the medal (or its ribbon) it is just known that they received it. That is proof enough. Go to any of Stephen House's predecessors pages. Most if not all have all of the ribbons and medals they wear without citation. Master Editor 10 (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

So the rationale is that saying "I saw it in a photo and therefore know it to be true, so sources aren't required" worked at other articles and so ought to work here too? The fact that other articles contain unsourced claims about living people doesn't entail that this one ought to as well. What's genuinely widely accepted on Wikipedia are our policies and guidelines, which require articles don't contain unsourced claims about living people. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

As stated, there is no record of individuals receiving long service or jubilee medals. They are just handed out to qualifying individuals. Stephen House qualifies. All you have to do is research the qualifications for the medal and look at House's career. If the recipient wears the medal, they have received it. That is the source. That is the only way to prove they have received the medal. That is just how it is. Master Editor 10 (talk) 15:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we're in agreement on the facts here: there are no sources supporting the claims that you want to add to the article. I'm arguing that this means that those claims can't be added to the article; you're arguing that we should ignore our fundamental content policies in order to add them to the article. Maybe a discussion at WP:BLPN would be useful? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Michael Drew: This discussion's been open a while; could you contribute to it rather than reverting without explanation? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)