Talk:Steven Seagal/Archive 3

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Controversy

It's probably worth mentioning that Seagal's legitimacy as a martial artist frequently comes under question. This was a common topic in the days of USENET, both in MA in general, and within the online Aikido community (e.g. Aikido-L) in specific. From general googling it appears to me the question is still common.

As a person who was involved in the very early days of both DARPANET, and USENET, I disagree that this topic was "common" at that time. In fact, I think you should provide proof of this assertion. The governing bodies of Akido have confirmed that Seagal is a recognized master of the art. It, therefore, falls to you to prove otherwise. (Jealous much?) fr33kman ^-simpleWP- 04:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I mention this not to try to insert defamatory insinuations into a BLP, (personally I consider his real-world MA creds perfectly legitimate, as well as being a fairly separate issue from how "bad-ass" he is portrayed as being on screen) but rather to highlight that it is a frequent question regarding Seagal (and a question that has some quick and relevant answers for the interested reader). Flj529 (talk) 11:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

There's also a controversy over his harem. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20002440-504083.html What does BLP say? Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

BLP says we need good sources. But BLP also says: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not our job to be sensationalist...even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject

I think that the answer will be more clear in a year or so. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Very well said! :) fr33kman ^-simpleWP- 04:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Obesity

Segal suffers from obesity. I think we should mention this, guys. <redacted BLP violations> --86.169.54.219 (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, to prove obesity, we'd need to know his BMI, and we don't. I agree that in recent episodes of Steven Seagal: Lawman it does appear that Mr. Seagal is packing a "few extra pounds". Remember, it's not what WE think that matters, it is what can be proved that matters to WP. :) All the best bra! fr33kman ^-simpleWP- 03:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Career as a martial artist

I think that a section needs to be created that deals with Steven's confirmed/purported careers as a martial artist. Surely, a 7th dan Akido master must have had some sort of career as a notable martial artist? And, I think that such a career (including descenting opinion) needs to be (re)added to the article? :) fr33kman ^-simpleWP- 03:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

2010 Lawsuit

I have read that the lawsuit filed against Mr Seagal by his former assistant Kayden Nguyen has now been dropped, as of 14 July 2010. Can someone please update the relevant section?

Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment+arts-10645210

Would do it my self, but don't know how. :(

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigfilmguy (talk • contribs) 14:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know, I've added it. This article needs a tremendous amount of work, particularly the career section. If you can learn how to reference can you write a detailed career for this article? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Louisiana or Tennessee?

The "Law enforcement work" section says "Seagal has a second home in Louisiana, and spends several months a year there" but the "Personal life" section puts him in California with a second home in Tennessee, and does not mention Louisiana at all. I checked Google News archives and there was no mention of "Steven Seagal" and either "Eads, Tennessee" or "Eads, TN" and so I removed this part. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What happened to this Talk page ?

It used to be enormous, and full of hilarious Seagal anecdotes. Was it deleted for legal reasons ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.143.195 (talk) 16:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What about what happened when he had mob connections that got him into hollywood, his testimony against the gambinos and alleged death threats from the mob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.153.151 (talk) 21:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Untitled

I'm editing the section on the lawsuit back down to the facts without all of the graphic description. It is unnecessary and inappropriate for an encyclopedia. B.T.Carolus (talk) 02:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Akido/ Anderson Silva

It says that Seagal is credited with teaching Silva the kick that KO'd Belfort at UFC 126, but here (http://mmajunkie.com/news/22367/silva-credits-seagal-for-ufc-126-win-eyes-brazil-or-las-vegas-for-gsp-showdown.mma) it says he helped him perfect it.

He obviously didn't teach him how to do a front kick. That's something Silva would know and he actually did the same kick against Dan Henderson three years ago.

I can't edit the article because it's semi-protected. For the sake of accuracy it'd be best to say he helped him perfect the kick. SixT-4 (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

-Seagal claims to have invented the kick —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.13.48.105 (talk) 18:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry

He's also part Russian. Hear him speak about it at 3 minutes. http://www.russia.ru/video/2045_11978/ And here at 0:40 http://www.russia.ru/video/segal_7622/ Please add it in article.

Edit request from Wernerbw, 19 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Hard to Kill Character: Mason Storm NOT Stormth

Wernerbw (talk) 04:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 18:11, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Where is the info how he got choked out by gene lebell and extorted by the mob and now taught anderson and silva a kick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.234.221 (talk) 11:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Russian ancestry

He's also part Russian. Hear him speak about it at 3 minutes. http://www.russia.ru/video/2045_11978/ And here at 0:40 http://www.russia.ru/video/segal_7622/ Please add it in article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.179.85.199 (talk) 14:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

See also... who???

The "See also" needs to be removed, as it's obviously a link added by a fan of whats-her-name and it has nothing to do with Steven Seagal. This is made obvious by the fact that nothing behind that link is about him! She is just one person who did a soundtrack to one series he is in. None of the other people who have done soundtracks to his shows and movies are, or would reasonably be, listed in "see also." Rubypanther (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 130.76.96.153, 8 July 2011

Citation of Segal's current aikido students can be found on this page:

http://www.threeriversaikido.com/about/tenshin-aikido

130.76.96.153 (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Jnorton7558 (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

7th dan in teens?

Beyond the absurdness of this kind of statement, the reference cited says nothing of the sort. This should be excised. 64.79.54.5 (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

MMA involvement very likely a farce/stunt

Between reports like this: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/301728/Brazil-Report-Seagal-training-a-publicity-stunt/ and the fact that there is no record of Seagal ever having either trained in any of the major component martial arts to MMA or been in any of full-contact competition, I feel the claims about him having assisted various MMA fighters are too strongly worded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyo314 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 20 October 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Activism

Steven Seagal began to discover new talents for his films during visit to Kiev, Ukraine. He was a special judge of Miss Ukraine beauty pageant, where he crowned new actress Diana Starkova. File:Diana-starkova.jpg Khom-manag (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if that's notable enough for inclusion in the article; regardless, we'll need to cite a reliable source for that material before it can be added. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Per the above, request not done.  Chzz  ►  07:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Khom-manag 27 October 2011 reliable sources: http://www.tuid.org.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4596:steven-segal-kievde-guezelleri-secti&catid=14:news&Itemid=357&lang=uk http://www.steven-seagal.net/xen/index.php?threads/steven-seagal-at-kiev.8271/#post-179107 http://kp.ua/daily/150907/10602/ http://www.imagebam.com/image/ea477d156132999

Edit request from , 9 November 2011

On the Steven Seagal page it is written that he is credited with teaching Anderson Silva the kick that won him the fight against Belfort at UFC 126. However recent articles suggest that it was a publicity stunt on behalf of Team Silva and his manager Jorge Joinha to have Seagal 'train' Silva for his fight... Recently Silva himself has admitted to the fact that Seagal did not teach him the kick but just gave him a little tip.

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2011/02/24/anderson-silva-admits-steven-seagal-didnt-teach-him-the-front-kick/

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2011/02/09/report-suggests-anderson-silva-was-using-steven-seagal-for-publicity-not-training/

It will be highly appreciated if this information is posted because news like Seagal helped Silva win the fight will give people reading false information which is not something wikipedia is known for.

Thank you very much for your time.

BASSER911414 (talk) 18:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Those are third-hand blog links that simply re-state something from other blog reports, which in turn reference a Brazilian publication that, unfortunately, isn't linked properly. Can you find something more authoritative, like the original news article rather than a blog? ~Amatulić (talk) 18:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I looked at the cites in the article and the new reports - it looks like the fact that Seagal taught him the move is being down graded to more of an improved position - I did a little write to take a bit of weight out of the , now disputed claim - feel free to revert. Or accept the small write and mark the edit protected request as answered. No worries from me either way - regards. Off2riorob (talk) 19:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks like a good re-write to me. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

What happened to the old discussion page ? The Main article is a fanboi whitewash !

The old discussion page was HUGE and hilarious (kind of like Segal's wig), but it seems it has been trashed. The main article seems much more Segal friendly and less neutral than it used to be. All references to him defecating his pants after being strangled by Gene LeBell (Joe Rogan even tells the story on his podcast) have been removed too, as have the other fascinating sections about him running away from a fight with JCVD (from a story by Van Damme himself). Him being called out by Randy Couture AND Bas Rutten, gone. And what about the section about Segal and the Mafia, where he cried and begged for mercy (which is fully documented on Crime.TV and elsewhere) ?? But it seems the whole main article is a complete whitewash now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.145.130 (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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2011 Jesus Llovera incident

This article mentions that Jesus Llovera sued Segal and Marcopica cpounty but does not go inot the incident. In March, 2011 Llovera's home was raided on "Lawman" there was no reason to belive Llovera would put up any resitance, still a the responce included a SWAT team and a tank in which Segal was riding drove though a wll in the home where the unarmed Llovera was alone.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/23/bread-and-circus-and-chickens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.45.109.177 (talk) 02:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Steven Seagal MMA coach

I'm a follower of Mixed Martial Arts, and Steven Seagal has been getting some attention after being credited with helping #1 ranked fighter Anderson Silva and highly ranked Lyoto Machida with recent victories.

http://sfluxe.com/2012/01/09/sherdogs-knockout-of-the-year-sherdog-com/

I recommend adding something to the effect of:

Steven Seagal has advised Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida to help with their techniques. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.0.227.180 (talk) 08:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 April 2012

Some of the information on Steven Seagal's page is unedited. It is now 2012 and it still says as of 2011 he is currently busy. Also there is a new film that needs adding: 'MAXIMUM CONVICTION' Pb93 (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. If our reliable sources say he was busy in 2011, we can't assume he's still busy in 2012. We need new reliable sources talking about that info. If you could provide reliable sources for this new content, that would be helpful. Please feel free to re-enable the edit request template once there are sources. Thanks!   — Jess· Δ♥ 23:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Steven Seagal - Hamish & Andy Lightning Bolt Controversy.

Maybe something needs to be added acknowledging the controversy surrounding the non-delivery of the lightning bolt on the Hamish and Andy radio show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.43.241 (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

STUDENTS

Elliot Freeman has never been trained by Seagal sensei. He's attended a few seminars, but has never been a direct student of Steven Seagal. This is just a marketing ploy by Elliot Freeman for his school in Saint Louis, MO. Elliot Freeman received his last rank via a video submitted to a sensei in southern Florida. This is a break in the traditional ranking lineage, to my knowledge isn't recorded with Hombu Dojo. Please remove this bit of hearsay instead of claiming citation needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.191.106 (talk) 03:59, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done --NeilN ^{talk to me} 03:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Buddhist

Shouldn't this topic receive a more prominent review? Christopher Hitchens in a 1998 piece in the The Nation states that Seagal was proclaimed a reincarnate lama and a sacred vessel or 'tulku' of Tibetan Buddhism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwp13 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Sho dan

The Aikido section says 1st Dan (Sho Dan0. Surely 1st Dan is ichi-dan, sho-dan would be 4th Dan ? Oh, and the wife's Mongolian name is in Russian, not Mongolian script! Don't know how to edit live pages sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.193.120 (talk) 01:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2012

Friends, Please consider making the change discussed below.

Under the section titled Personal Life, the article states: "In February 1997, lama Penor Rinpoche from Palyul monastery announced that Seagal was a tulku, and specifically the reincarnation of Chungdrag Dorje, the founder of Nyingma, the oldest sect of Tibetan Buddhism."

I believe one part of the statement is incorrect: Although Nyingma is in fact the oldest sect of Tibetan Buddhism, its founder was not Chungdrag Dorje, but Padmasambhava. (Others were there at the founding as well—Shantaraksita, Vairotsana, Trisong Detsen, to name three of the most illustrious. But Chungdrag Dorje was not one of the principals.) In lama Penor Rinpoche's statement recognizing Steven Seagal as a reincarnation of Chungdrag Dorje, lama Penor places Chungdrag Dorje in a group of secondary tertons (revealers of treasures hidden in the 8th century by Padmasambhava). Here is a quotation from Penor's statement, which can be found at http://www.palyul.org/docs/statement.html

"In the Nyingma tradition it is said that there are a hundred main treasure revealers and an even greater number of secondary treasure revealers. Among the latter it is not uncommon for the line of their teachings to eventually lapse. Though they were beneficial during the time they flourished, for various reasons some tertön teaching lineages have ceased. This would seem to be the case with Chungdrag Dorje."

Proposed edit to the Steven Seagal article: "In February 1997, lama Penor Rinpoche from Palyul monastery announced that Seagal was a tulku, and specifically the reincarnation of Chungdrag Dorje, a 17th-century terton (treasure revealer) of the Nyingma, the oldest sect of Tibetan Buddhism."

Thank you for considering this, David Wolfersberger Santa Barbara, California

72.194.219.128 (talk) 09:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Done Vacation^nine 16:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Whitewashed Article

Who wrote this ? Seagal ? Where's the stuff about the mafia trial ? [1], about how he got his first Aikido Black Belt as told by his 1st wife ? Where's the hilarious stories about him working for the CIA, or as a Navy SEAL ? The stories about him sexually harrassing Jenny McCarthy and Jamie Pressley (as told by themselves through national media) ? And best of all where's the story about him and Gene LeBell - which is fully sourced and exists in Gene LeBell's Wiki Article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.148.255 (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Gutshot Straight

It's too early for this film. Take it off — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.43.41.241 (talk) 14:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Segal

There are multiple instances of Seagal's name as "Segal" instead of "Seagal". Request to search and replace "Segal" with "Seagal". 199.106.103.54 (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. I fixed the two I found. RudolfRed (talk) 02:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Currently

Please see WP:RELTIME. This article uses "currently" several times instead of being more specific, or just avoiding the phrase entirely. Please fix. -- 109.76.159.0 (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 August 2013

On April 14, 2010, the series was suspended by Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand due to a sexual trafficking lawsuit filed against Seagal. The suite was later dropped. A&E resumed the show for the second season which began on October 6, 2010.

Note that "suite" should be "suit" (ie spelling error - in second line). 70.48.196.25 (talk) 04:21, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Done RudolfRed (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2013

"Doshu" should internally link to Aikikai#Doshu --92.26.121.57 (talk) 00:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:44, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Categories box

Too many categories, it should be filtered down a little. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.252.0.61 (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2013

FROM:

Television

Year	Title	Role	Notes
1991	Saturday Night Live	Host	Episode: "Steven Seagal/Michael Bolton"
2009–present	Steven Seagal: Lawman	Himself	Creator, Executive producer
2011–present	Steven Seagal: Lawman	Elijah Kane	Creator, Writer, Executive producer

TO:

Television

Year	Title	Role	Notes
1991	Saturday Night Live	Host	Episode: "Steven Seagal/Michael Bolton"
2009–present	Steven Seagal: Lawman	Himself	Creator, Executive producer
2011–2012	True Justice	Elijah Kane	Creator, Writer, Executive producer

Okcgreg (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Done, thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 04:57, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Year of birth

Seagal was born in 1951. (92.11.205.103 (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC))

No mention of home in Weed, California?

Curious why his home in Weed, California is not mentioned. Several people I know and myself included work for him there. A reference should be warranted. Thanks.184.155.141.104 (talk) 01:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources. If you believe his home in Weed noteworthy, you could start by searching for one or more of such sources. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Under Siege 3

Isn't really Under Siege 3 and The Expendables 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.54.30.97 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Those are two different films. In case you're wondering about Seagal's involvement in both, an interview in The Big Issue probably answers your question.[2] "I'm trying to do Under Siege 3, [...] (So Under Siege 3 will happen?) Sure hope so. (Why have you never been in an Expendables film?) I just didn't like some of the people involved. (The cast is made up of so many people I guess you couldn't like all of them.) Life is too short to work with funny people." --82.136.210.153 (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

PETA Award References

The Honors section has a "citation needed". This should do. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 10:55, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done - Thanks for the improvement suggested. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Support of 14th Dalai Lama

The lead has a "citation needed" for Seagal's support of the 14th Dalai Lama. This might do. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 11:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done - Thanks again! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Matsuoka; Dojo and Parting Ways

The Aikido section has a "citation needed" for Matsuoka's involvement with the dojo, and him and Seagal parting ways. This might do. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 11:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done- Thanks again, -Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:18, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Many Animals -> Stray Dog

In the Personal life section, change the citationless "He has adopted many animals from shelters." to "In November 2013, he adopted a Romanian stray dog." --82.136.210.153 (talk) 12:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done - Again, thanks for the improvement suggested. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

"Medicine Lake Video" Reference

In the Business ventures section, the reference for the Medicine Lake Video needs to be changed. The problem is that the domain has been cybersquatted. It still appears to be about the film project (it still has an "about the film" section), but if you look more closely you'll see it's now about a diet. See the "diet and nutrition" and "health" links at the top, and the 'recent posts' on the right. In other words, it needs an archive-url and archive-date like so. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 22:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, that paragraph should be moved into the Activism section. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done - Owh! Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Birth Date Dead Link Fix

The first reference, the one for Seagal's birth date, is (justly) marked as a dead link. Here's a replacement. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

2011 lawsuit

In my opinion, it would be useful if the 2011 lawsuit section mentioned why the lawsuit got dismissed. My suggestion is to add, just before the last citation in aforementioned section, something along the lines of: "[...], because Llovera had failed to file court-ordered paperwork after his attorney had withdrawn from the case." --82.136.210.153 (talk) 10:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way, more edit requests below. I don't want a Wikipedia account. IMO, WP:PC is far from perfect, but still better than semi-protection. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Done -Anupmehra -Let's talk! 20:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

(First Foreigner Dojo & Open Letter) Dead Link Fixes

In the lead, the fourth reference, the one about Seagal being the first foreigner to operate an Aikido dojo in Japan, is (justly) marked as a dead link. An archive-url and archive-date should fix the problem. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, in the Activism section, the reference for Seagal's open letter is (justly) marked as a dead link. An archive-url and archive-date should fix the problem. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Done - Well, it ends here. -Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Anupmehra. :) --82.136.210.153 (talk) 07:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

No mention of his home in Weed, CA?

Thought it should be here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.130.147 (talk) 02:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2015

Please add Steven Seagel's Upcoming movie Code Of Honor 2015. Tonydude1 (talk) 20:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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many factual inaccurate biographical information!

References 17. and 18. are not good.

see here. I request this info be corrected in accordance with WP:BLP 178.148.10.191 (talk) 14:03, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Guys, I will call Chuck Norris to fix your protected article if you don't fix it! 178.148.10.191 (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the citations 17 and 18 are innacurate. Steven Seagals father is not jewish, though he comes from Russia (Vladivostok). His mother is of indian mohawk descendant line. For actual reference watch the interview in youtube called "Veče sa Ivanom Ivanovićem - Gost: Stiven Sigal (04.12.2015)" from the 46th minute onward.Devilhope (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)It saddens me to hear that he is a buddist, he nedds to read the real Bible and learn about Jesus or he will be condemned to spend eternity in Hell. I would not like that !!!!

A Serbian actor?? Seriously? Just because he was given a passport (for which he is also confused about) does not make him a Serbian actor. Clearly this is a bias. But hey, if you'd like to make a joke of this article and have good laugh go right ahead 38.86.167.146 (talk) 15:45, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Miyako Fujitani (m. 1975–86) Adrienne La Russa (m. 1984–87) There is an overlap of two years from the beginning of his second marriage and the end of his first marriage. Anyone know the correct dates?

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2016

Adding his new Russian citizenship, probably the right place to mention it is right below his Serb citizenship. Source: http://www.pravdareport.com/news/society/showbiz/03-11-2016/136059-steven_seagal-0/ Smazanyak (talk) 11:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done - by another - Arjayay (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Ambiguous phrase

I'm not native English speaker. But when reading the following sentence:

In August, 2014, Seagal appeared at a Night Wolves-organized show in Sevastopol, Crimea, supporting the Crimean annexation and depicting Ukraine as a country controlled by fascists.

… I was unsure whether Seagal was "supporting the Crimean annexation and depicting Ukraine as a country controlled by fascists" or the show itself was "supporting the Crimean annexation and depicting Ukraine as a country controlled by fascists". (Actually, at first look I supposed the former, but after reading references, I realized that the latter is true. Because the second ref describes Seagal's presence at the show and support for Russian POV in general, but not expressing explicitly his views on Crimean annexation and Ukraine; and the first ref doesn't mention Seagal at all.)

So, it there way to somehow rephrase the sentence to make it sound unambiguously? (Or is it ambiguous only for me, because I'm not a native speaker?) Sasha1024 (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Steven Seagal - awarded Russia's Order of Friendship.

Just inquiring just why Rex Tillerson was awarded Russia's "Order of Frienship" medal, when I noticed in the same listing that Steven Seagal has also been awarded it too. I tried to update Steve's Wikipedia page to reflect this award, but the page is "protected to stop vandalism". If anyone could update Steve's page for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! 458winmag (talk) 10:30, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

458winmag, please write here what you want to add. Sasha1024 (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

458winmag (talk · contribs)

Sorry for being inconcrete:

1. What text do you want to add exactly? Please cut and paste this: He was awarded Russia's "Order of Friendship" (no date given) presumably for his outspoken support for Mr Putin and Russia's annexation of the Crimea.
2. What references do you have? (I can't add it without references!)

   Please see "Order of Friendship" Wikipedia page, "Notable recipients". Reference No: 23 quote: Chappell, Bill (3 November 2016). "Steven Seagal is Now a Citizen of Russia, Courtesy of Putin". Breaking News from NPR. Retrieved 11 December 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 458winmag (talk • contribs)

   458winmag, there it also has no sources (it says "Steven Seagal, action-movie actor (United States)" — note the "" in the end). And no mentions about Steven Seagal in the Recipients of the Order of Friendship within Russian Wikipedia list (look for "Сигал, Стивен", starting with "С"); and no "стивен+сигал"+"орден+дружбы" mentions about that in Google. Probably, that was just a vandalism on the Order of Friendship page that should be reverted. Sasha1024 (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

   Dmcd9999, you added info about Steven Seagal into Order of Friendship. Do you have some sources other than [3]? (Which, actually, isn't a source, as it doesn't mention Order of Friendship at all.) Sasha1024 (talk) 18:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

3. Which place of the article do you want it to be inserted into?

   Please insert at the end of the first section, after the sentence "Seagal once referred to Putin as "one of the great living world leaders".[15]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 458winmag (talk • contribs)

You can provide it here (including formatting), if you wish:

He was awarded Russia's "Order of Friendship" (no date given) presumably for his outspoken support for Mr Putin and Russia's annexation of the Crimea.

458winmag, but don't forget to mention references and where exactly do you want it to be inserted into. See above. Thanks for your help Sasha1024!

Sasha1024 (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Steven Seagal's religious views

As we can see in different sources 1, 2, 3 and a lot of other, Steven Seagal also a priest of religion Oomoto-kyo. It's not contradict with his buddism belive, due the many shintoist also belive in other religion. So, may be usefull to add this information to the page ass well as add categories [[Category:Converts to Shinto]], and [[Category:American Shintoists]] (and, possibly, [[Category:Russian Shintoists]] and [[Category:Serbian Shintoists]]). 92.243.166.135 (talk) 11:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I would be okay with that, but you need an independent, secondary source for that information, per WP:RS.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Biased Opening Line

The beginning of this article is highly biased.

"Steven Frederic Seagal[1] (born April 10, 1952)[2][3] is an actor, producer, screenwriter, director, martial artist, and musician who holds American, Russian, and Serbian citizenship that has frequently been accused of crimes of a sexual nature."

That statement that he has been accused of crime of a sexual nature shouldn't be in the opening line. It is okay to have it in the intro but it needs to be further down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roban160 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2017

Final sentence of third paragraph: He has also been involed in a line of "therapeutic oil" products and energy drinks. - "Involved" is misspelled! Sarahjwilson2020 (talk) 01:31, 4 October 2017 (UTC) Sarahjwilson2020 (talk) 01:31, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Done Thanks for catching this. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 01:55, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2017

Remove: "Seagal moved to Japan at some point between the ages of 19 and 21 with his father who was visiting for military purposes, and met karate masters and decided to remain in Japan. He received his 1st dan degree (shodan) under the direction of Koichi Tohei. He continued to train in aikido as a student of Seiseki Abe, Tohei (whose aikido organization, Ki Society, Seagal refused to join in favor of staying with the Aikikai), Kisaburo Osawa, Hiroshi Isoyama and the second Dōshu Kisshomaru Ueshiba. He attained a 7th dan degree and Shihan in aikido, he also holds black belts in Karate, Judo and Kendo and became the first foreigner to operate an aikido dojo in Japan.[13]"

Source 13 states in fact that he was not the first foreigner to open a school in Japan. The rest of the paragraph is unsourced. Source 13 is mostly about Seagal's tendency to lie and/or embellish his past.

From the source: "While Seagal is often trumpeted as the first non-Asian to open a dojo in Japan, the school at which he taught belonged not to him but to Miyako’s family. She and her brother still teach there, and her mother is the chairwoman."

Regarding the rest of the offending paragraph, which references his time in Japan, the source tells us:

"Just when Seagal packed up and left for Japan is another confusing matter. During various interviews, he has indicated that it was anywhere from 1968 to 1973. According to enrollment records at Fullerton College, he attended classes there from the fall of 1970 and left after the fall of 1971, putting him at age 19 before he could have departed for a long stay in Japan. The date of his departure is only an issue because Seagal has claimed that he studied with Morihei Uyeshiba, the founder of aikido, who died in 1969. “That story is bull,” says Terry Dobson, a fifth-degree black belt who studied with the master from 1961 to 1969. “[Back then] I never heard of Steven Seagal.”

Whatever the course of his travels, by 1974 Seagal was back in California." 95.153.31.101 (talk) 03:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: But please see the section below. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

First paragraph of the "Martial arts" section

The above edit request challenges claims made in the "Martial arts" section, particularly in the first paragraph. The only cite given for the many claims in that paragraph is one 1990 People profile that makes it clear that taking many of Segal's statements about his life at face value is questionable. Rather than making the one change requested by the IP editor above, I suggest that the entire paragraph should be replaced with text such as: "Seagal's early involvement in martial arts began during a stay in Japan but details have remained disputed." and cited to the same source. Are there objections to this change? Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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A review of his book (source)

In case anyone wants to add mention of his new book, here's a notable review of it: I Read Steven Seagal’s Insane Novel So You Don’t Have To by Mark Hill - Cracked.com

Some selected quotes:

• "Seagal's collaborator, Tom Morrissey, writes like a thousand monkeys disassembled a thousand typewriters and then choked to death on the pieces."
• "If this book has a key flaw, it's that it's the literary equivalent of getting punched in the kidneys by someone who isn't Steven Seagal."
• "This book may be written like Microsoft Word came to life and immediately started begging for death,"

I'd have added an additional, more serious review except there aren't any. Well, the AV Club has written about the book, but not actually reviewed it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Problem/error in current source ref #21

Hello,

The current source ref #21 (in left-most references column) is not shown well in the references, and causes the text show up as:

Miller, James Andrew; Shales, Tom (October 6, 2015). "He+just+wasn’t+funny+and+he+was+very+critical+of+the+cast+and+the+writing+staff"&source=bl&ots=pr5orHOwao&sig=_WRkWSaOutlLOh1ZXPJfkAPklDk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SKhOVaDrFIKRsAXez4HIBQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=StevenSeagal&f=false Live From New York: The Complete, Uncensored History of Saturday Night Live as Told by Its Stars, Writers, and Guests. Back Bay Books. p. 386. Archived at Google Books. Retrieved October 29, 2015.

and additionally, also bleeds over into/through the middle references colum (from the left-most references column) of the references. The wikisource code associated with this reference (or the wikisource code of that reference) is as follows:

<ref name=LiveFromNewYork>Miller, James Andrew; Shales, Tom (October 6, 2015). [https://books.google.com/books?id=3Qx0AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT375&lpg=PT375&dq="He+just+wasn’t+funny+and+he+was+very+critical+of+the+cast+and+the+writing+staff"&source=bl&ots=pr5orHOwao&sig=_WRkWSaOutlLOh1ZXPJfkAPklDk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SKhOVaDrFIKRsAXez4HIBQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=StevenSeagal&f=false ''Live From New York: The Complete, Uncensored History of Saturday Night Live as Told by Its Stars, Writers, and Guests'']. Back Bay Books. p. 386. Archived at [[Google Books]]. Retrieved October 29, 2015.</ref>

Neither another wikipedian, nor myself have been able to ascertain the cause of the error. It it also quite possible that the target url to Google Books no longer points to the intended section.

Hopefully someone else will be able to find the root cause of this problem and/or repair the reference. Best regards, Martix (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

After a good idea, I was able to fix it. The Banner talk 22:18, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@The Banner:: Thanks mate - I still don't understand why the initial reference & link as it was constructed didn't work, as it seemed to comply with the wiki source rules for external links (and usage in references).. But I guess it's the result that counts . By the by: Does the link now also actually refer to the section of text that supports the claims stated where ref #21 is used as a source? - Martix (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

2018 Allegation - Timewarp?

I believe there is an error/problem in how the sentence(s) in this paragraph are formulated:

“ On January 15, 2018, actress Rachel Grant publicly made a sexual assault allegation against Seagal, claiming an incident took place in 2002, during pre-production on his direct-to-video film, Out for a Kill (2003). She subsequently did not appear in the film. ”

Although English is not my native language, I consider myself to be a near-native speaker/writer. And as I read the quoted paragraph above, I believe it cannot be interpreted differently than:

1. In 2018, actress Rachel Grant made a public allegation, implying Seagal sexually harassed her during the production of a movie in 2002;
2. As a result of this allegation, she was edited out of the movie in 2003 (presumably by a clear voyant movie editor, or someone in 2018 traveling back in time to the year 2002/2003) to get her edited out of the movie which was released in 2003.

Probably – or very likely – the referenced sources correctly report the proper cause & effect on the time line, but as the paragraph in the article is written now is an impossible order of events with the technology known to man today.

Would anyone be able to point out the error in my interpretation/reasoning, or otherwise fix/correct the reported facts as they happened over time (and in the correct order? (My best guess is that she (Rachel Grant) was already edited out of the movie as she already caused some stir/made said allegations earlier during (post-)production in 2002/2003, causing her to be cut out of the movie (without the allegations being made public), and she then repeated the allegations (or made them public) in 2018 – presumably fueled by the #metoo 'campaign'/flood of confessions and announcements ?

Thanks & best regards - Martix (talk) 22:16, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I read it as: Grant came with a complaint in 2002, got thrown out of the movie that was launched in 2003, was holding a grudge for years and started backstabbing in 2018. The Banner talk 22:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi The Banner, that is indeed the most logical order of events (and matches "my guess" as elaborated at the end of my comment above), but that is not the order in which the events are formulated in the section. Specifically the word "subsequently" suggests her not appearing in the movie was a result of the public allegation in 2018 (or at most, that the allegation was true, hence subsequently nor appearing in the movie). At the very least, it's formulated ambiguously, with any ambiguity only eliminated by what is physically possible; the ambiguity is not 'fixed' linguistically? - Martix (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I get what you're saying. I read the source, and Grant claims that she lost her job on the film after the incident. I can see where the Wikipedia text could be read as, either, that she was edited out of the film (either after the incident or, somehow, retroactively, after making the accusation), or that she was never hired for the film. I didn't even anticipate the possibility of what I actually read in the source, that she was let go from the film during production. I edited the article to reflect the source. --DavidK93 (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2018

Sentence should be changed to "Seagal claims to have helped train Brazilian Mixed Martial Artists Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida." In subsequent video, Anderson Silva laughed at and mocked the suggestion that it was Seagal who taught him how to kick Vitor Belfor. See, for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_TRdFSKGFU. 38.74.146.126 (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: The cite for the Anderson Silva claim failed verification and has therefore been removed per WP:BLP. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Please change the nationality reference for Steven Seagal to Russian. Thx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancegmorton (talk • contribs) 01:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2019

Change

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Among his extensive collection are guitars previously owned by 2A02:8388:88C0:D300:94B7:689C:35D8:37B9 (talk) 12:09, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done MadGuy7023 (talk) 12:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)