Talk:Stop Messin' Round
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Misc[edit]
I changed "is a song by" to "is a song recently performed by" to reflect the original writing and performance data without disrespecting Aerosmith's role in increasing the song's exposure to new audiences.
This can be verified at http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Wonderful-Fleetwood-Mac/dp/B000306074/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-9860312-7700712?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189885025&sr=8-2
Please reference www.fleetwoodmac.com, www.mickfleetwood.com, www.aerosmith.com, as well as other sources that can be found on Wiki and other websites to verify this information.
The song listing on ""Mr. Wonderful as well as "Honkin' on Bobo" link to this page.
I changed the title of the page to reflect the original title, and ensured the modified Aerosmith title redirects.
Also, if you enjoy British blues music similar to Bluesbreakers and Yardbirds, check out some of Fleetwood Mac's early blues music. The Fleetwood Mac article is an interesting read. DarthAlbin 19:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 07:12, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for taking this on. I'll be working on it a bit at a time. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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Infobox and lead[edit]
- Don't note UK and US after the labels but keep them in the infobox
- Mention the song being by Fleetwood Mac before you mention the writer
- Identify them as a British-American rock band
- "It is an" → "The song is an"
- Sure twelve shouldn't be 12?
- WikiLink to Twelve-bar blues
- "The song was first" → ""Stop Messin' Round" was first"
- Maybe move the info about the initial release to the first para?
- "The song is included" → "The song has been included"
- "and Aerosmith have" → "and Aerosmith, have"
- Mention reception somewhere here, including what most critics commented on
- Remove ref 1 as that is sourced in the body
Lyrics[edit]
- "Fleetwood Mac's "Stop Messin' Round" is credited" → ""Stop Messin' Round" is credited"
- "often used by the group's manager" → "often used by Fleetwood Mac's manager"
- "Only two 12-bar verses" → "Only two of the song's 12-bar verses"
- "He uses" → "His version uses" and are you sure this shouldn't be in the releases section?
- Target "Stop Breakin' Down Blues" to "Stop Breaking Down"
Recording and musical style[edit]
- Are you sure this shouldn't be above lyrics section?
- "(and future McVie wife" → "(also future McVie wife"
- "Perfect and saxophone players" → "Perfect, and saxophone players"
- "album.[6]" → "album in 1968.[6]"
- "more typical of live performances" → "more typical of live performances for the song"
- "public address or PA system" → "public address system (PA system)"
- "sees it as attempt" → "sees it as an attempt"
- Target Chess Studios to Chess Records
- Why is the word American included?
- "such as B.B. King (to whom he was often compared)" → "such as B.B. King, to whom he was often compared"
Reception[edit]
- Add overview of the recepton (positive/mixed/negative etc.)
- ""Mr. Wonderful's one gem"" → ""Mr. Wonderful's one gem""
Renditions[edit]
- "best-known songs" → "most well-known songs" more encyclopedic
- "of the song, that appears" → "of the song, which appears"
- "In a 1996 review in" → "In a 1996 review for"
- Introduce who Aerosmith are
- "what we do best."" → "what we do best"."
- A complete sentence is quoted, so used punctuation "within" (MOS:INOROUT). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- "played the song at" → "played the song during"
Footnotes[edit]
- WP:NOTBROKEN includes "There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. However, changing to a piped link is beneficial only in a few cases. Piping links solely to avoid redirects is generally a time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace
[[redirect]]
with[[target|redirect]]
." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- WP:NOTBROKEN includes "There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. However, changing to a piped link is beneficial only in a few cases. Piping links solely to avoid redirects is generally a time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace
- Target "44 Blues" to "Forty-Four"
- Target "Stop Breakin' Down Blues" to "Stop Breaking Down"
- "Peter Green's response" → "Green's response"
References[edit]
- Template:Cite web#Parameters includes: "Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.) ... Not normally used for periodicals. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Refs 3, 4, 18, 21, 22, 25, 28 and 33 should cite AllMusic as the publisher
- Refs 15, 23, 24 and 31 shouldn't use at
It's automatically added when using Template:AllMusic (also removes italics): "The template can be used for any link to AllMusic's website, including the 'External links' section or when citing it as a source." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)I did some more checking and remember problems using the AllMusic template, so I'll change all these to the regular citeweb. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ref 20 should have Official Charts Company as the publisher
- Ref 30 should cite Guitar World as the website not Guitarworld.com
- In the case of Guitar World, Variety, Billboard, etc., the websites are different than their print magazines. I'll look into this. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- This explains use of work/website and publisher. Generally, 1) whatever the webpage is titled should be used (the ".com" is usually not part of it); 2) publisher= is not needed if work/website name is substantially the same or is well-known. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ref 36 should cite Variety not Variety.com
- Ref 37 should cite PopMatters not Popmatters.com
Final comments and verdict[edit]
On hold until the changes are done and maybe include an image of the writer? --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Add alt text
- ✓ Pass, well done --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
One thought...[edit]
Re: "...C.G. Adams, the pen name often used by the group's manager, Clifford Davis...". In fact, C. G. Adams was his real name (Clifford George Adams), but he used the name Clifford Davis professionally to distinguish himself from Cliff Adams of the Cliff Adams Singers. So, it might be better expressed as something like "..C. G. Adams, the group's manager, who also used the name Clifford Davis...". Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I took the info from Green's bio by Martin Celmins: "Clifford Adams being a pseudonym for Clifford Davis, Peter's manager" [p. 149]. No explanation why his name appears alongside Green's on several Mr. Wonderful tracks, but Adams/Davis was also responsible for the fake Fleetwood Mac 1974 tour, which I guess says it all. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)