Talk:Stratford station/Archive 1

opening of JLE

Corrected detail re opening of JLE. It ran to North Greenwich initially. The Government trumpeted the opening as it gave them a route to the Millennium Dome by public transport in time for Millennium eve, in case the remainder of the line wasn't open. The rest of the extension opened in time, but was fraught with operational difficulties for many months. WillE 19:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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Acessibility

Neither the text nor the map mention platform accessibility--SilasW (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Buses

I see that bus 25 is listed. Should we be listing the buses which serve Stratford Broadway but do not serve the bus station outside of the station. The broadway is a about 5 minutes walk away through the shopping centre. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, eastbound 25 buses serve the station, westbound serve the broadway only. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 00:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

New Overground Platforms

The new Overground platforms 1&2 are mentioned as opening on both 14 April 2009 and 16 April - which is it? The wikipedia "Overground" page says 16. The majority of unofficial comment on London transport forums says the old 1&2 closed on 14 April and the new opened on 15 April. Copyeditor42 (talk) 20:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC) Did one open each day? but go with the offical stuff if possible, it doesnt make that much difference but if it can be cited then that is the one to go for lordmwa (talk) 20:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Old ones closed with the last train on the 14th; the new ones opened with the first train of the 15th. – iridescent 21:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the official leaflet here in front of me but the dates I added were copied directly from it. My guess is that it either happened over a weekend when the service was not running for engineering reasons or that they made the switch a day early for some operational reason. It doesn't help that I couldn't find the current leaflet on TfL's site, just the old version from January. (BTW: I was there today and I see that the DLR project has wasted no time at all in ripping up some of the old track and getting to work on the old platforms. I guess the delay in the platform change must have put them significantly behind schedule.) Anyway, my recommendation is to remove the date and just say "April 2009". Most other information about changes is only accurate to the nearest month and it is not like the changeover day was a particularly significant event with a visit from the Mayor unveiling a plaque, or anything like that. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

agreed lordmwa (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

re Clarify

Apart from what 3a might be, the article has this:
"Rail services operating from platforms 5 and 8 respectively (see below). Also During mid 2010 and late 2011 platform 3a which has access to mezzanine level.{{clarify}}"
That seems to be a jumble of non-sentences with a sprinkling of capital letters.--SilasW (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

It was introduced in this edit by an account that seems to have been used briefly then abandoned. If sense can't be made, I say kill it. — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

3a is the assumed name for the new westbound central line platform which will enable passengers to access these trains from the mezzanine level in addition to via platform 3. The train doors will open on both sides. This will presumably speed up boarding, ease interchange with the DLR and reduce crowding in the subways. Construction is well advanced but I don't know when it opens. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Found it. 2010 apparently. — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Management

Station management transferred to London Underground around the time the Jubilee line started in 1999 and the station was rebuilt. [1] I'm trying to find an explicit reference for the transfer. MRSC (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Are we even sure that it really is managed as a single station? It seems that NXEA are running all the non-DLR high level platforms (including Central Line and Overground). They have offices in various places and a ticket office at the front of the station. LU/TfL also seem to have a ticket office and a major office area by the Jubilee line platforms. The question is how is this all divided up? Does NXEA or LU have overall control of the entire station or does each have control over its different areas? Who looks after the DLR parts? Who is in charge of coordinating the major development works? It all seems quite confusing but there must be some coherent management structure as it would be quite impossible to run the station safely if it was a free-for-all given the various works going on. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

When I come to think about it, it looks like both NXEA and LU/TFL manage the station, but then again I can't see how national rail.co.uk could be 10 years out of date when it clearly says updated November 2009. Likelife (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

MRSC, were does it say's LU manage the station, all it says is the development was done by LU this still does not mean they manage it, yes the ticket offices look like LU manangement but still I can't see any good evidence of them managing it. Also who owns the station Network Rail or TFL or both?.Likelife (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Clearly LU and NXEA are cooperating to run the station in some way. It seems reasonable that ATOC regards NXEA as the operator of the station, as it is a member TOC and LU is not. What this doesn't tell us is who has overall responsibility for the station complex. Perhaps the fact that it runs so seamlessly that we can't unpick it is an indication that they are doing a good job. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

TfL are definitely having a big part to play in the redevelopment. TfL awards Stratford Station design contract to Jacobs Babtie. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh and don't forget platforms 1 and 2 are looked after by London Overground staff, NOT NXEA staff. The platforms have TfL staff (unlike 3 and 6 on the Central line). best, Sunil060902 (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

So, judging from the presence of TfL staff, they look after platforms:

• 1 and 2
• 4a and 4b
• 13, 14 and 15
• upcoming DLR low-level (16 and 17???)

and NXEA look after:

• 3, 3A (upcoming) and 6
• 5 and 8
• 9 and 10 (with 10A all but disused)
• 11 and 12

Looks to be a pretty even split, 9 platforms each, when everything is finished! best, Sunil060902 (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Somebody must have an overall coordinating role though. It wouldn't be safe not to have somebody in overall charge. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that Sunil, but like Daniel said who owns it, Network Rail or TFL?Likelife (talk) 13:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I honestly don't know, maybe it needs an FOI request, but I would point out that in our article the Infobox field in question says "Managed by", not "Owner". best, Sunil060902 (talk) 16:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for another double-post but (according to the link above), since TfL awarded the redevelopment contract, and not Network Rail, then that would point against the latter "owning" (as opposed to "managing") the station, no? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 16:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

After lots of archive trawling found something relatively clear. The whole site is owned by Network Rail and London Underground are the main operator. MRSC (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

But still, it just says LU are the main operator and responsible for safty, it does not say they manage the station, while National Rail says NXEA manage it which is the most clear evidence you can get. Also the new evidence was made in 2006, National Rail updated their Stratford page last mouth meaning your evidence may need to be updated.Likelife (talk) 11:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

NXEA undoubtedly have some role in the station and I believe have a ticket office within it. MRSC (talk) 12:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I still think it's best to put both down in the Infobox since that reflects the situation on the ground. BTW the NX ticket office seems to be a portakabin just outside the main (presumably LUL) ticket office, though sale of Travelcards and "Underground tickets" is also advertised here. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 12:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The presence of the NXEA portacabin is probably the source of ATOC believing it is the manager of the station. MRSC (talk) 12:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)