Talk:Strete

Strete/Street

To the IP who keeps querying the derivation of the name and its spelling – please read our policy on verifiability. You cannot replace a published source with what appears to be your own opinion, especially when the source is of the highest available quality. It's true that Donn's map shows the place as "Street". That could stay in the article as evidence that the name had changed some time before then, but it is not appropriate to raise questions in the article about the derivation of the name unless you can cite a better source. I'll change that part back. Do you have a reference for the 1870 change back to "Strete"? (White's Gazetteer of 1878 still shows it as "Street" on pp. 163 & 165.)

Also regarding "Strete Sands": that's not shown on the 1:25,000 OS map, which clearly shows the place at the north end of Slapton Sands. So please provide a reliable source for that name. I'd suggest that even if you can, using the name that's shown on an OS map is more likely to be useful to a reader.

I'm sure we can work out a form of words that's agreeable to both of us, as long as you're prepared to accept WP's policies and guidelines.  —SMALLJIM  18:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Further to this, Strete was made an ecclesiastical parish on 22 July 1881, carved out of Blackawton civil parish. White's directory of 1878 still refers to the place as "Street", but Kelly's of 1889 (which provides the above precise date for its formation) calls it "Strete", so it's possible that the renaming took place at the same time as the creation of the parish. Incidentally the Blackawton and Strete History Group (http://www.historybash.co.uk/) says that Strete only became a discrete civil parish in 1935.  —SMALLJIM  13:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Legitimate, must stay

Note: this is about the proposed merge of Strete Gate into this article.

The article Strete Gate should be kept as it is. There is a special template and a Category of Category:Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty in England. It would be the same foolish decision f.ex. to merge all these National Register of Historic Places in Missouri by splitting them, and merging them into other existing "Places" or "Areas". All the AONB are officially registered, and take note:

„There are 46 AONBs in Britain (33 wholly in England, four wholly in Wales, one which straddles the English/Welsh border and eight in Northern Ireland).

The first AONB was designated in 1956 in the Gower Peninsula, South Wales.“

Otherwise you have ask the same for the following as well:

• South Hampshire Coast
• Surrey Hills AONB
• Sussex Downs AONB
• Arnside and Silverdale

and so on. That is surely not the intention about the creation of the category and/or the special template. Keep it as it is. --Gary Dee 10:07, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Strete Gate is not an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. It is a location within the South Devon AONB, just as Cape Cornwall is a location within the Cornwall AONB.

The article as it stands does not establish what "Strete Gate" actually is. Strete Gate Beach is the section of Slapton Sands in Strete parish. The picnic area at Strete Gate itself is literally just that and is hardly something for inclusion on Wikipedia.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

@Gary Dee: You're misdirecting yourself, I think. The AONB is South Devon Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, which covers all the coast between Torbay and Plymouth Sound (see map here). Strete Gate simply marks one end of Slapton Ley, where there is a carpark and the road turns to run on the seaward side of the ley: the other end is the village of Torcross. Strete Gate isn't a village, and as for the content in the article, none of it is specific to this point: it all applies either to the whole area or other specific places nearby - I don't think you can realistically support its notability with general references to Slapton Sands and one "Teachers Beach Guide".

If there is a missing article here, it's Slapton Sands, which could be split out from Slapton.  —SMALLJIM  11:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Agree with Nilfanion and Smalljim. As it currently stands, the Strete Gate article is quite vague on its definition; the info should be tightened up and placed within this article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:08, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

The only thing that is clear, is that you (both) are (not necessarily) wrong and neither right. If you do not want to clarify the situation (by your own individual thought(s) and WP-actions), may it either be on heart/mind based decision(s), (or whatsoever) you may call it silly. If you like to integrate it (merging it), please do so. I do not want to be loosing my (creative) time in a useless way by argueing until midnight...LOL, 3 hours + past beyond. Make whatever with it (unless other partys may intervene) and if not merge as much, until death do us apart, however. But for those who WANT to understand, read this first !

@Smalljim:: You are misleading not only yourself, in trying ME to lay into....rest, about the subject, it will be coming...But as well readers who just simply read this. Nomatter, they will overcome :). And without bitterness. So long.

@Nilfanion: Autosuggestion ? One backing the other ?? Nomatter :D

@PaleCloudedWhite: (and pong): 3rd backup in agreement.

To all PING & PONGS. May you do as you feel, and agree(L)ol. I made my opinion clear. I created the article; and even feel free to delete everything about it. I gave (as ID: Ian Dury (USER)) would say: HERZBLUT (@ wiktionary.org the expression does not exist in the en:version) is involved. And one last thing: Check this one (ID was concerned, so ;) ). Sincerely yours & best Regards: --Gary Dee 01:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The fact an area is significant does not mean all places within it inherit that significance. The South Devon AONB is important, but that does not mean Hazel Tor, Newfoundland Cove and Little Dartmouth should have articles. Those places should only have independent articles, if they have significance in their own right - "It is in an AONB" is not enough.--Nilfanion (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: merge completed per consensus.  —SMALLJIM  10:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Public Sex Area

An unregistered editor keeps inserting a sentence stating that the beach is "recognised by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary as being a Public Sex Area", yet no citation is provided. I tried a google search using keywords, but the first 3 pages of results failed to produce any sources that support this statement, so I maintain that the statement should not remain in the article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

This is clearly the same person (using Sky as ISP) as the one I attempted to engage in discussion in the first thread here (Strete/Street). I managed to coax a couple of references from him/her regarding that issue, so if there is a reliable source for this detail then he/she should cite it or stop adding the info.  —SMALLJIM  11:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Update. Due to the IP's repeated reverts and refusal to discuss, I've semi-protected the article for a time. Discussion of requested changes are still welcome on this page.  —SMALLJIM  16:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)