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Controversy[edit]

My mate "roasted" some chicken breasts on a wednesday night. Does this count as a roast? I reckon it's just a meal.

What, so he just put some chicken breasts in the oven and tried to pass it off as a roast? I agree with you, it's just a meal. In my opinion, the idea of a Sunday roast involves a joint of meat being cooked surrounded by roasting vegetables. The joint is then carved and shared out. Traditions such as pulling the wish-bone and stuffing the carcass may also be observed (these are not sexual references by the way). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.117.219 (talk) 14:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article states: "Known as Sunday dinner, the meal was also common in New England in the northeastern United States until the mid twentieth century, though the custom still exists." Hmmm, most - nearly all in fact - Americans still eat Sunday dinner (not to mention breakfast, lunch, and the odd supper), whether in New England or elsewhere, so not sure what this article is trying to say here, although Yorkshire Pudding isn't typically on the menu (then if ever). Something must be being lost in translation from UK English to US English. Jmdeur (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger[edit]

I disagree with the merge thing. a Carvery is normally like a Roast Dinner, but in a buffet form.

I disagree also. Carvery although consiting of similar food is served on any day of the week and in buffet form as mentioned above

I agree, Carvery is different. It's explicitly in buffet, in a restaurant Sunday Roast is often not served in that form. While a Carvery can have a 'Sunday Roast' menu, a Sunday Roast isn't just the food it's how it's about the ritual etc (i.e. preferably yer mum cooks it).

I also disagree. Since Carvery can be served any day, it should not be merged with Sunday roast which obviously happens on sunday.

Merge and move to Roast dinner, on the grounds that the meals can theoretically be eaten on any day of the week, they are just most common and traditional on Sunday. The two articles are almost identical, there's no sensible reason not to merge. DWaterson 12:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I got here from a link suggesting that 'Sunday Roast' be merged with 'Sunday Dinner'... this seems like an obvious thing to do as they are exactly the same thing, and 'Sunday Lunch' should direct to the same page also. 'Roast Dinner' and 'Carvery' however should remain separate items, as a roast dinner can be taken any day of the week and a carvery is, as you say, a thing you get in a restaurant (like a buffet with hot food), even though it may well resemble a Sunday Roast. These items should also link back to 'Sunday Roast/Dinner' as they are closely related. SB 11:02, 18 February 2007

I don't think there's anything more that could be added to "Sunday roast" that couldn't be included as a paragraph within a longer article on "Roast dinner" (since as you agree they can be taken any day of the week). So, with the exception of carvery (which is obviously a quite different thing), I would merge them all and move as I suggested above. DWaterson 11:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merge --ukexpat 12:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merged[edit]

I've gone ahead an merged two sentences that were useful, however this part may also be of interest:

Historically, Sunday dinner may have originated from the time of building the great cathedrals in England and Europe. Citizens of most parishes were expected to put in an amount of work helping to build or improve the churches and cathedrals, as part of their religious duties. In payment for their labour, they received what may have been their only hot meat meal of the week. As Sunday would normally be the only day available to perform such duties, the association with a substantial meal arose.

However, as it has been tagged as unsourced for several months, I haven't included it yet but placed it here for discussion. Cheers, DWaterson 12:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roast potatoes[edit]

The article suggests that the modern practice of using oil to roast the spuds is due to health factors. I'd say its more likely come about because modern methods of husbandry have made the joints of meat are much leaner than they used to be (owing something to consumer demand and something of a pity IMO) and so there's nowhere near enough proper dripping to coat the spuds properly. If I find a ref I'll add it. Plutonium27 (talk) 13:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday Roast picture[edit]

The description of the picture is "Sunday roast consisting of roast beef, roast potatoes, vegetables and Yorkshire pudding". The picture depicts a roast dinner with mashed potatoes rather than roast potatoes. Has anyone got a picture of a traditional English Sunday Roast with roast potatoes? Stutley (talk) 14:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here we have a good one--Funnygar (talk) 19:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)picture[reply]

Who chose to have a photo containing mashed potato?

I know people like to deal in facts here and opinions aren't allowed but I am absolutely certain that if you asked 100 people if they had mashed potato the last time they had a Sunday roast, you'd struggle to find anyone who'd say "Yes".

I really think I should be allowed to put the fact mashed potato is rarely used in brackets and would ask the people who keep editing out my addition to stop doing so. 86.6.19.71 (talk) 03:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

What is the origin of the Sunday Roast? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.15.184 (talk) 19:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further to what the page currently says about possible mediaeval origins, Bracciolini Facetia 216 is about a bishop who buys partridges on Friday and his cook wrongly assumes they are for Sunday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince Calegon (talk • contribs) 12:49, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

they don't call it sunday mash do they[edit]

its a roast so the proper way would be roast not mash so should mash not be added as the proper food in the meal but more like an other opions (like vegtarian version etc) sorry mash is for bangers and mash or pie etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.51.238 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English Mustard on Roast Pork?[edit]

Not a 'traditional' addition, I would have thought (as a dedicated roast pork eater).

Apple Sauce..... well, that's another matter!

TTFN! 2.216.32.50 (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is in the UK. Pork lends itself to a variety of accompanying flavours according to traditional seasonal and local availability (as well as personal taste). Mustard has been a common and cheap condiment for centuries. Note also that English mustard is very pungent (certsinly compared to US French's brand and the like). Plutonium27 (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think mustard is traditional with pork. I live in the UK and in all my roast dinners, eaten and seen, I've never known mustard and pork to be plate companions.88.109.94.72 (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of countries in lede is problematic[edit]

Does this list mean to suggest that this exact type of meal (including Yorkshire pudding) is popular in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland?

If that is not what is being suggested, then the implication is that a Sunday roast or dinner is not popular in other countries like the United States, much less in other non English-speaking countries. As an American I take issue with that, as I'm sure a lot of Europeans and Latin Americans would.

If you'd like to revert my edits, please provide a cited source that states that an identical type of meal, including Yorkshire pudding, is popular in United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland. Or, please provide a cited source that states that a special dinner on Sunday is popular in only those countries. --AntigrandiosË^Talk 23:48, 18 March 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Mash?[edit]

I have never encountered a roast dinner with mashed potatoes. Boiled new potatoes, or roast potatoes, but never mashed. That image in the article is the first I've ever seen, and makes it a poor standard example in my eyes. Citation? 86.161.109.226 (talk) 21:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As a consumer of hundreds of "Sunday Dinners" I can confirm Mashed Potatoes are a staple regularly enjoyed by many millions of Britons. 195.162.87.201 (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Growing up and learned in the South of England I can confirm mashed and/or roast potatoes are appropriate as an optional part of the dish. London. (Super buttery are the best). Citation removed. Reprah (talk) 17:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Roast lamb with Yorkshire pudding..quality of pictures[edit]

Yorkshire pudding is normally served with only beef. Lamb should be served with roast and boiled vegetables and mint sauce. The roasted rack of ribs shown in the other picture should be sliced before serving - this looks like a picture from a hotel with the beef prior to slicing. Typically the proportion of vegetables (esp. roast potatoes) to mean will be higher that that shown.

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