Talk:Survivor: Micronesia/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

MERGED TRIBE COLOR

(Removed copyvio image from talk page (non-free images can't be used in Talk:) (also reporting it to Commons as it certainly does not belong there at all) --MASEM 23:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC))

LOOK AT THE STRIPES IN THE CANOE, ITS LIKE FIJI's GREEN. I THINK ITS THE MERGED TRIBE COLOR

File:S16Challenge.jpg
OR MAYBE IT'S YELLOW

WHAT THE YOU THINK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.82.82 (talk) 20:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you really think it's advisable to have copyright protected images (see the watermarks) on this talk page? KellyAna (talk) 05:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• I am very sure that it is yellow. Based on the behind-the-scenes photos I saw. Well, lol, Maybe you should just try asking one of the contestants. You know...not all reality show contestants obey their contracts. 76.252.4.81 (talk) 20:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Its green. No question. But, I don't think its purely green. I think its kind of a teal green. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rj1020 (talk • contribs) 04:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

• Doesn't matter. We can't use it until it appears in an official site or document (not a fan site).B.Wind (talk) 02:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Is this for Real?

	Original Tribes				Switched Tribes						Merged Tribe							Reunion
Episode #:	1	2	3	4	5		6	7	8		9	10	11	12	13	14		2nd Runner-up	3rd Runner-up	Winner
Eliminated:	Jon No Votes	Mary 6/7 Votes	Yau-Man 6/8 Votes	Tracy 5/6 Votes	Cirie 3/5 Votes	Kathy	Chet 4/6 Votes	Jonathan 6/7 Votes	Parvati 7/8 Votes	Ozzy 6/7 Votes	Eliza 4/6 Votes	James 5/9 Votes	Amanda 5/8 Votes	Joel 6/7 Votes	Michael 4/6 Votes	Jason 4/5 Votes	Alexis 2/4 Votes	Ami 0/9 Votes	Erik 4/9 Votes	Natalie 5/9 Votes

(Courtesy move to Talk:Survivor: Micronesia/Spoiler List as to help protect other editors from unexpected spoilers for unaired episodes) --MASEM 07:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

(Restored to main talk page after episodes proved spoiler to be false. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Where did you find this? KellyAna (talk) 01:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I just saw this in this article, it's weird............. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.82.82 (talk) 02:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I just looked through the entire edit history and see nothing of the sort. KellyAna (talk) 02:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything either. Can you provide the revision number? Should be viewable in your browser history if you can't find it again. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 03:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Regardless, it's obviously fake. How is it possible for Mary to be voted out of a 10 person tribe with 6 out of 7 votes? Then Eliza gets "voted out" with 4 out of 6, followed by James with 5 out of 9. Pfft. MadMagFreak (talk) 03:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

So much for this false spoiler. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Thus the necessity of reliable sources. Clearly it doesn't show Jonathan's MedEvac and Kathy's exit accurately. B.Wind (talk) 02:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode summary format tweak

I'd like to propose altering the new format slightly so that the challenges and rewards bullet points are listed before the episode summary. It's difficult to write up the challenge results without referencing the descriptions of the challenge. I think it's odd to reference something below instead of above. Anybody have any concerns about changing the format? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of the time, the actual occurrences of what happens during a challenge, besides who won or lost, means little, so generally these can be disconnected, but for this last episode... I think it can't hurt to try it here and then retro it for the previous seasons (when we get around to adding it there...). --MASEM 06:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

No concerns, try it out and see if it works better, it sounds like it will be easier to follow the proposed way Survivorfan101 (talk) 08:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I did find it difficult, having not yet seen the episode, to work out what the summary actually meant regarding the challenge, and had to jump around the place a bit. The proposed idea does sound easier. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 01:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the order. It looks okay and I think it's easier to read this way. It was getting difficult to write up the summaries without referencing parts of the challenge. Thanks for the feedback. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

More seasons announced

Even though Wikipedia is no crystal ball, there was an announcement that the show would be around for four more seasons (to its 20th). Messy Thinking (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I know that they have definitely signed up Survivors 17 and 18, but 19 and 20 are not yet official. However, in Jeff's contract it does state that it will continue to the twentieth edition, but 19 and 20 have not been confirmed by CBS ... as far as i know of Survivorfan101 (talk) 06:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

17 and 18 have been confirmed, but the article says nothing about 19 or 20. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• I heard something like this. Jeff said, that if the show continues to drop ratings, they will have season 21 be their last. (21 would be all previous 20 winners in that season.) But, it was NOT announced, it was just talked about. 76.252.24.85 (talk) 20:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • They'd need to wait for Richard to get out of jail first. ;-) And from some other comments I've heard made, I'd have trouble believing they could get all 20 people to commit to another season... a lot of them seem to have a "been there, done that, don't want to do it again" mentality. Only way to get them back would be like a 10 million dollar prize instead of the normal 1 million, or something crazy like that. --Maelwys (talk) 21:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Jeff's contract states he is signed up to 20 IF IT HAPPENS spider1224 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.169.160 (talk) 00:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Using Jonny Fairplay in voting history

Let's just keep as Jon instead of stretching the column on Jonny Fairplay. We only use regular, not nicknames98.17.118.39 (talk) 11:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Jonny Fairplay is his given name for this season. It is effectively his name for Pearl Islands, but Jon is perfectly admissible there. There are few "types" of names, if you will. One is the given name in a confessional. Another is a nickname that is used in the confessional, as it has been since Fiji. (For instance, "Sarge," "Bubba," and, "Flica" would now have those names listed for their confessionals if they were to appear now.) Then there is a slightly altered version of a name, such as "Sue" instead of "Susan" in the case of Sue Hawk or Richard Hatch would be called "Rich," "Richard," "Hatch," or "Richard Hatch." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.152.244 (talk) 15:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

March 20 episode

The episode title, "Like A Wide-Eyed Kid In The Candy Store" will be aired on March 19, 2008 due to NCAA March Madness on March 20. -- 02:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

And your proof of that would be where and why is this a discussion point?? KellyAna (talk) 03:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I visited the TV Guide website and I researched the March 19 schedule of Survivor: Micronesia which is at 8:00 PM ET/PT. -- 06:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.179.43 (talk)

I've changed the air date on the article. If you notice something non-controversial that needs to be changed, you can make the edit yourself instead of noting it on the talk page. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Can Someone PLEASE tell me how to make one of those boxes with the season titles in them? I want to make one for Big Simling Big Simling: Season One Rj1020 (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean this one?:

As Big Simling only has one season at the moment, I don't think it'll be much use to you. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 00:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• I just wanted to have an idea of how to make one. And yes thats what I meant. 76.252.61.209 (talk) 01:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest start by copying the coding into a user subpage where you can experiment to your heart's content. Failing that, ask for support at the Village Pump or some place like that. This isn't really the right place to ask about templates as it is the talk page related to the content on the Survivor: Micronesia article page. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 02:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The Game

Let's update the game table to include information, such as Jason for Exile and Jonathan, No vote and evacuated. 75.89.239.215 (talk) 01:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess it has some error in voting history chart. Chet is on Marakal, but Jason is still on Airai. Right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.121.240.183 (talk) 03:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Everything is currently correct. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Place Column On Vote History

Is anyone opposed to adding a column for "Place" on the Vote History chart like the one I just added? I think the chart could definately use it. It makes each contestant's placing (rank) way more easily identifiable rather than having to count rows. MarkMc1990 (talk) 06:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Obviously I am since I removed the it. The Contestants and Game tables already have the finished order in it. The Voting History is going to get really wide by the end of the game and adding another column is just going to make it wider. Also, with it being labeled Voting History, add a column on about finishing order is unnecessary. Actually, when I think about it, the Finish column in the Game table is redundant, but I vaguely remember saying the same thing during previous seasons' discussion about the table. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just wanted to include it because no where in the articles for any of the seasons does it ever mention things like "5th Place" as opposed to, and which sounds better and more comprehendable than, terms like "13th voted out - day 32" or "6th juror", and I feel the way I had it would have been an easy reference for that information. MarkMc1990 (talk) 07:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I do think adding that column would be restating information already found numerous times in the article and therefore a bit pointless Survivorfan101 (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Joe & Edwin

I think a small line should be included about Joe & Edwin's return from Survivor: Palau. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rj1020 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I hadn't noticed that it was the same guys. Good catch. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought they looked familiar. Nice find Survivorfan101 (talk) 08:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode viewership

An anonymous IP added viewership numbers at the end of the episode summary and I reverted it because of two reasons: 1) past seasons have not had this information, 2) I felt it was the wrong place to have that information.

I thought would bring up the topic for discussion: Do we want to include viewership numbers per episode in the article? If so where? My opinion would be to not include it because it's excess information and sort of covered in the main Survivor (U.S. TV series) article. However, if it is included, I would prefer to see in a separate section instead of integrated into any current section or table. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I see absolutely nothing wrong with a table at the end of the article for viewership, as long as it's sourced - but it should be kept separate from the episode information, and again, at the end of the article. --MASEM 23:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

... So much for the sourcing. I have no problem with the inclusion of the table at the bottom, but there are still no references. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 01:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary columns on vote history

Is it really necessary for Jonathan and Kathy's eliminations to have their own column on the chart considering there are no votes to be listed in it? I just merged Jonathan's with Chet's for Episode 6 and Kathy's with Tracy's for episode 7. I know in other seasons the quitter/medevac eliminations got their own column on the chart but that was because those got their own episode. In cases like Jonathan/Chet and Kathy/Tracy where they left in the same episode, I don't think its necessary to split columns. It also cuts down on the width of the chart which will be favorable in the long run when the season is over. MarkMc1990 (talk) 19:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think using the extra width is a good thing here. When you look at your stacked table just on it's own, it looks like Jonathan and Kathy left at the same Tribal Council as Chet and Tracy, when they didn't. The split columns make it clear that something else happened. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Well you can tell something else happened by the "No Vote" notation for Jonathan and Kathy. And at the end of the season when the chart is completely filled in, its going to be extremely wide and this would create 2 less columns. MarkMc1990 (talk) 22:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The table is indeed going to be extremely wide and there have been discussions about how to fix it, but nobody's come up with anything that really works well. I don't think shaving two columns off is going to help all that much. Maybe we can petition CBS to cut the number of castaways down next season. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gogo Dodo. The two extra columns indicate leaving at separate times to those who left via Tribal Council. What we do need are footnotes to explain this. I'll add them as soon as i get the chance Survivorfan101 (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Good idea on the footnotes. I've added them, copying the format for when Gary was removed out of Fiji. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the original statement that it's not necessary to have Jonathan and Kathy listed on the voting history table, but I disagree with how that was fixed. I think their columns should just be removed from the table entirely, without their names being merged into any other column. The table is called "Voting History" and there was no vote, so why do we need them on it? We already have mention of their leaving, and the circumstances for their leaving on two other tables (Contestants and The Game), I don't think we need to talk about how there was no vote on a table all about the vote as well. --Maelwys (talk) 11:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I think the table should mention their eliminations because it might be confusing as to why they're not listed as having been voted out anywhere, but I just think its a waste of space to have 2 whole blank columns for them when there are no votes to be listed. Because like you said, it is vote history chart after all. Thats why I suggest we remove the blank columns and modify the top rows to look like this:

	Original Tribes				Switched Tribes
Episode #:	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Eliminated:	Jon 9/10 Votes	Mary 6/10 Votes	Yau-Man 6/9 Votes	Mikey B 6/9 Votes	Joel 6/8 Votes	Jonathan No Vote4	Kathleen No Vote5
						Chet 5/7 Votes	Tracy 5/6 Votes

MarkMc1990 (talk) 04:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I still don't think this merged column proposal is a good idea. To me, it still looks like Jonathan and Kathy left at the same Tribal Council as Chet and Tracy and that's just not true. I don't think having the footnotes there would help that potential confusion. In the past seasons where somebody has left the game without a vote, the columns have been left in. See All-Stars, Panama, Fiji, and Australia. While the idea of making the table narrower is a good one, I don't think removing or merging columns is the best answer. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well as I've stated before, the reason for that is because those eliminations got their own episodes, so they were the only ones to be listed as eliminated for those episodes meaning there was no choice but to have the blank columns where the votes would have been. But in the cases of Jonathan/Chet and Kathy/Tracy, their eliminations shared an episode, so it just seems silly to have the blank column for the removed person, and then another column next to it with the votes, both under one episode MarkMc1990 (talk) 05:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think having their own episode should be a factor, not to mention that's not entirely true with past seasons because when Gary left Fiji, he didn't get his own episode and his column is still there. I understand what you're trying to say in that Jonathan and Kathy's departure did not cancel a Tribal Council like it did with All-Stars, Panama, and Australia. But I still think merging the columns is confusing. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It will look as if Airai and Malakal went to Tribal Council together. They never did. So that means you need a column for each elimination. WikiWideWeb (talk) 17:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I totally respect consensus and everything (and its obviously against me), but I'm just not getting how the way I suggested is confusing. You would have to be blind not to know that the purple votes go with the purple elimination boxes for Chet/Tracy and that the fact that there are no orange votes listed (as well as the "No Vote" notation in the orange elimination boxes) mean that Jonathan/Kathy left some other way. Honestly, if anything, I think having the blank columns would make the chart look more confusing than not having them. MarkMc1990 (talk) 03:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

When people who haven't watched Survivor come look at this they are going to wonder what happened. Having seperate columns means they know something that's not the norm happened. (Jonathan's MedEvac and Kathy's Quit). MySurvivorPartay (talk) 19:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I still think that the best table is this one: User:Maelwys/Survivor. It's cleaner, doesn't have odd looking empty columns, and it shows the information that we need to see. The table is called 'Voting History', so we don't need to record information there about votes that didn't happen, only votes that did. The fact that Jonathan and Kathy left without votes is already noted in the "Contestants" and "The game" tables, and in the episode description itself. It's out of place here. Just my two cents. --Maelwys (talk) 18:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I could definately live with Maelwys's version of the chart. Except I would maybe put the superscripts in the last blank column for Jonathan, Kathy, and James. Anything to do away with those empty columns! MarkMc1990 (talk) 18:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, so yes, it's called a voting history. But showing the empty columns tells us that no votes occurred. It's just like having a blank space when someone didn't go to Tribal Council, but because no one went to Tribal Council, everyone has a blank space. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 04:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge Tribe color

Heres a picture from the previews: http://www.survivorfever.com/coppermine/cpgallery/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=52 I'm looking for wiki colors to use on the tables to match the buff color. Heres a couple that look close. Which do you think is closest?

Mint Green

#99FF66

Spring Bud

Electric Lime

I'm leaning towards #99FF66. MarkMc1990 (talk) 03:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that that's the closest representation (#99FF66), but its not a match yet. I'll have a look and see if i can find something else

What about green-yellow:

Green-Yellow

Survivorfan101 (talk) 05:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That looks about the same as Spring Bud IMO. If you look at the picture, the buff looks like its a light shade of green-yellow, but also with a mint-green tint. I still think #99FF66 seems best. MarkMc1990 (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's what it looks like to me:

#CCFF99

-- BullWikiWinkle 23:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Question: is this a legit source? We've had the green-yellow rumors for a while remember... but either way I agree that the photo matches BullWikiWinkle's color the bestest. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 03:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure what qualifies as a legit source, but that picture is taken right out of the previews for next week's episode that aired at the end of episode 8. I think its safe to assume no one photoshopped the buff color or anything. MarkMc1990 (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I've seen the previews for next week's episode and it does seem that the color of the merge buff is light green at best of my observation. But it's just me. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Ep 8 hasn't aired in my country yet, so I'm often uncertain as to whether it's an image from Survivorsucks etc that's been floating around since January or, as was in this case, from a trailer. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 05:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Now that I've seen the episode I agree that BullWikiWinkle's #CCFF99 is spot on. MarkMc1990 (talk) 02:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the current color. I think the actual color is much darker than the current color being used for Dabu. You get the lighter color when certain people fold their buffs to fit their wrists and whatnot. But if you look at the tribe flag background as well as the buffs, i see it as a much darker more vivid green, similar to #99FF66 MarkMc1990's suggestion to begin with Survivorfan101 (talk) 09:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I really agree with Bullwiki... is almoust perfectly that colour --Alessandro223 (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem with determining colors is that unless you are watching the show and looking at Wikipedia on the same screen (and even that could have issues), you can't do a good comparison due to color calibration issues. Your TV might be darker than your monitor or vice versa. Comparing the few photos on episode 8 on the CBS site versus the color choice on Wikipedia is bit better. But then you have to deal with the shadows in the photos. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You guys don't know that the merge has a green buff! #CCFF99 looks nothing like green! You know Survivor: Fiji? The buffs are like that season, only the merge color of Fiji was used before the merge in Micronesia. And have you seen the green flag at the site of pre-merge challenges. Total clue! There are even green stripes on the boat! WikiWideWeb (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Remember that Survivorfan101 is right. WikiWideWeb (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The colour comparision of what you see on televison and what you see on your computer's monitor will continue to be a problem until you use only one device to do the compare. Kinda like trying to describe the colour as Granny Smith or Golden Delicious!! May I suggest using a photo or video from the Official CBS site on your computer monitor and compare that to a Wiki colour chart! I don't know how to do colour (I'm such a newbie!!) or I'd do it myself. CubBC (talk) 04:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been following this discussion without commenting, but thought I'd help out. I took eye dropper "swab" tests from a number of pics on the CBS site and the average colour I get (of course, there's no one colour, you've just got to look at what is most representative) is:

#bfe7b2

Hope this helps. ([1], [2], [3], [4]) PageantUpdater talk • contribs 04:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

After much delibration, I think the #CCFF99 color is fine because the buff is that color. ScottAHudson (talk) 01:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Remeber, you get the lighter colors when the castaways turn the buffs inside-out. The merge color is a lime green. When you compare the lime green to the text saying "Dabu", it matches. #CCFF99 does not. You all know how in the past, the color text saying "Tribe" matches the tribe color. It's almost like a tradition. It's being carried on. MySurvivorPartay (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I just have one thing to suggest: a comprimise. Here's what we can use:

B8FC73

Hope it helps :). MySurvivorPartay (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello to everybody here. Sorry I do not yet have an account on Wikipedia. In my own opinion the "official" tribe color should be the color used for the solid background on the Buff. Since Marquesas the Buffs have had their own patterns and decorations on their backgrounds, either relatively darker (e.g. All-Stars) or lighter (e.g. Cook Islands) than the original color. The Buffs used for Micronesia had decoration patterns (natives rowing boats) that were pure white, and they were so much more detailed and complicated and close together than their precedents that when looked from far away it makes the colors of the Buffs seem much lighter than they actually are. I own almost every merge Buff myself (bought them from CBSStore, etc.) and can be sure to say that the true Dabu Buff color is a lot less light and more vivid than #CCFF99. I guess the same can be said with Airai and Malakal, judging from the close-up shots on Buffs, the tribe flags, and the contestants' subtitles (even though the subtitles for the Younger Men's tribe in Exile Island definitely had a different color than the Buffs or the flag).

Here are the three colors I think should be close to the actual colors:

  Airai

  Malakal

  Dabu

And I think this is how you sign a post... Forgive me if I am wrong. :)

59.46.104.44 (talk) 05:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Dabu

Was it Eric or Jason who suggested the name "Dabu", falsely claiming it meant something in Micronesian? Worth adding, I think.
—WWoods (talk) 07:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Definetly Erik, I remember watching. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 13:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

It was so Erik. I watch the episodes online. Erik did it so he could have a tribe name that sounded good (Weird). MySurvivorPartay (talk) 16:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

A First

The trip to Yap. Is this the first time ever that Survivor has traveled to a different country from the filming location in a season? If so, this is wikiworthy. Rj1020 (talk) 18:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Yap is in the Federated States of Micronesia, while they were filming in Palau. (Using the EXACT same locations, w/Airai on Ulong Is. (Maybe that's why they dominated after the swap (Koror was on Ulong, yet Ulong wasn't on Koror!))) I'm not sure if it's a first though. Besides, the Task Force is trying to cut back on the Records and Firsts lists. MySurvivorPartay (talk) 16:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it notable that Erik was the first to give individual immunity in the history of the game? (Is this really the case?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.125.221 (talk) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Erik wasn't the first. Jenna gave up her Individual Immunity to Heidi in Survivor: The Amazon. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

First, on Yap: This season took place in Micronesia, not just Palau. They may have used the same campsites, but the location is expanded to include all of Micronesia, which Yap is a part of. They also used the stone money of Yap in the tribal council set.

Secondly, Erik: Burton also gave up individual immunity in Pearl Islands, but he already had immunity anyway from having returned to the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.152.244 (talk) 08:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

An idea

Should something in the opening paragraph (or an episode summary) that this is the season with the most players leaving the game without being voted out? That's Johnathan and Kathy, and James might have to go. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 11:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, as it hasn't happened yet, no. James may be allowed to continue like (I think it was, anyway) Aras from Panama, someone from Cook Islands and surely others that didn't make it onto TV coz it was edited out. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 01:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, what about back in Palau - Janu quit, and then Wanda and Jonathan both were eliminated because of the tribal pick-em. So really does this make it the 2nd time that 3 people have been eliminated by other means than being voted out? Nemle22 (talk) 02:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Who cares? It's trivia, and it has been removed. Oh, btw - don't forget Bobby Jon from Palau as well. I guess that makes this season's departures null and void. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 02:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

potential spoilers

i got this from reliable source, i'll add more later. Natelie and Alexis gets to at least top 5 This is known because alexis wins an reward challenge and brings natalie and its to see their family, natalie sees her mom. Parvati and Cirie are in the Jury by Top4. (along with already known Eliza, Jason) only 4 was shown in picture.

also this source "rumors" the final 3 isnt all female.

will it be wise to put a section on "spoilers and rumors"

just a thought

sorry if any of this is known, this was published a while ago and i didnt see it anywhere else —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.65.154 (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for spoilers and rumors (see WP:OR). All facts added to an article must be verifiable through a trusted source (see WP:V). -- BullWikiWinkle 15:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I read on RealityTVWorld, a spolier for tonight's show that there will in fact be a final 2. It said something about Jason's interview. 75.89.232.207 (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Still, Wikipedia is not a place for spoilers....that's why we work hard to remove spoilers in the first place...not many of them are proven true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemle22 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Amanda's first... (spoiler??)

• 78 days (39 days in China + 39 days in Micronesia)..
• no votes from tribal council —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.20 (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

ermm...it doesn't looks notable enough. in fact, such things will be deleted of the article. Aranho (talk) 12:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Also note that this is a spoiler: the information may not be true, and it (more importantly) hasn't happened (yet). Oh, and it doesn't need to be addressed here. Try Amanda Kimmel AFTER the reunion. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 03:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Alexis Blindside in Episode 12 Description Misleading

The description states that Cirie was shocked when Amanda pulled out the hidden immunity idol. However, if you watch the full voting confessional on the CBS website you can hear that Cirie clearly knew that Amanda was going to pull out the idol and was voting for Alexis as a part of an overall plan to use the idol against Alexis. That is why she can be seen smiling during the episode. The description as written is incorrect. If you care to see for yourself... http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor16/video/video.php?cid=709877189&pid=cssX1IB_8LwR0UCI9LjXixvUlyaCR_dS&play=true&cc=16 I'll wait and see what others think before attempting any edits. There are ways of writing that could clean that language up. Agrippina Minor (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not so clear to me that Cirie knew the HII was going to be played. She didn't say all that much. Also, Cirie voted for Amanda, not Alexis. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Cirie's statement was clear that she knew. It's hard to get more clear than that. She obviously voted for Amanda to keep the ruse with the other two players. Despite the obviousness of it, if you feel that it is ambiguous then perhaps the ambiguity could be reflected. Waiting until the next episode is probably best because often they clear these things up later. They probably didn't disclose that Cirie knew because that would have blown the surprise. Agrippina Minor (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

episode 13...

Episode Title	Air Date	Challenges		Exiled	Eliminated	Vote	Finish
		Reward	Immunity
"If It Smells Like a Rat, Give It Cheese"	May 8, 2008	Erik [Amanda]	Erik [Natalie]7	Parvati	Erik	4-1	13th Voted Out Day 36

i read this tabLe as..
on Reward ChaLLenge.. Erik wins the chaLLenge and take on Amanda with his Reward..
on Immunity ChaLLenge.. Erik wins the chaLLenge and shares NataLie his Immunity.. meaning Erik stiLL has immunity and cannot be voted out

but how about this?? how about adding strikethrough effect on Erik's name..

Episode Title	Air Date	Challenges		Exiled	Eliminated	Vote	Finish
		Reward	Immunity
"If It Smells Like a Rat, Give It Cheese"	May 8, 2008	Erik [Amanda]	Erik [Natalie]7	Parvati	Erik	4-1	13th Voted Out Day 36

meaning Erik does not have immunity anymore and can be voted out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.20 (talk • contribs)

Interesting. I certainly don't object to this. Kinda even makes sense. By the way, sign your posts with four of these →~! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 11:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think its a good idea. Its similar to the nil-votes for Amanda being crossed out. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 11:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, looks good. I did make once change though and that is to change the brackets for Natalie into parentheses because the brackets already mean something else in the table. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Back to Final Two

I think the show is going back to final two. Evidence #1: The commercial says there will be three tribals on the finale episode. Evidence #2: A spoiler site (a spoiler site that is ALWAYS right) named a 4th place taker, third place taker, and the final two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rj1020 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WHy doesn't Parvati have a page yet?

I think Parvati merits a page at least as much as other SUrvivors do. I'm starting one. KConWiki (talk) 02:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

"Cirie was up next and asked Amanda why Parvati deserved a million dollars more than Parvati..."

What does this sentence mean? It's very confusing. I can't edit this yet because Survivor: Micronesia hasn't aired yet in Singapore. So someone please edit this. Aranho (talk) 06:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Why do most of the favorites have an article?

Execpt for Eliza and James? And please link a Fans v.s. favorites to this article. 69.158.185.240 (talk) 18:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Filming Dates

Are you sure the filming dates are right? Both Amanda and James stated that filming for micronesia started 3 weeks after china...and here it says that it's nearly 3 months. here's the link to her interview (and james can be found here as well): http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-amanda-kimmel-about-micronesia-losing-survivor-twice-7096.php Small5th (talk) 19:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Season title

This article is still under the heading of "Survivor: Micronesia." The shortened title is "Survivor: Fans vs. Favorites," not "Survivor: Micronesia." This is dictated by the show, not a matter of opinion. The same is true for "Survivor: Exile Island," which is erroneously listed as "Survivor: Panama." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.152.244 (talk) 15:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Tribe colors

I am proposing that the font colors for both the pre-merge tribes, Airai and Malakal, be changed to white. The Dabu color is bright enough that a white font color would be extremely hard to read. Currently, the Airai and Malakal font colors are black, and I feel that, like other seasons, darker tribe colors should have a font color that contrasts for easy viewing. The current colors are on the left, while the proposed font colors are beside it in the table below. —Untitledmind72 (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Current Font Colors
Contestant	Original Tribe	Switched Tribe	Merged Tribe
Ami Cusack 34, Golden, CO	Airai	Malakal
Eliza Orlins 25, New York City, NY	Malakal	Airai	Dabu
Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth 26, Venice, CA	Malakal	Malakal

Proposed Font Colors
Contestant	Original Tribe	Switched Tribe	Merged Tribe
Ami Cusack 34, Golden, CO	Airai	Malakal
Eliza Orlins 25, New York City, NY	Malakal	Airai	Dabu
Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth 26, Venice, CA	Malakal	Malakal

For Malakal, I have no objections to changing the text to a white font. However, I'd rather keep the black-on-orange text for Airai. I find the white-on-orange text a lot harder to read than the current black-on-orange. Cheers, -- Meäghân  talk  00:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I was about to same the same thing. I once saw a webpage which would compute the colour contrast for RGB values. I will see if I can dig it up. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

"The Game" Table

Shouldn't it be that in the first episode, Jon's eliminated status cover the entirety of the row instead of putting "none" in the upper half of the row? I've shown a sample of what I'm thinking of below LordBelly06 (talk) 10:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Episode Titles	First air date	Challenges		Exiled	Eliminated	Vote	Finish
		Reward	Immunity
"You Guys Are Dumber Than You Look"	February 7, 2008	None	Yau-Man 2	None4	Jon	9–1	1st Voted Out Day 3
			Kathy 2
		Airai 3