Talk:Százhalombatta-Földvár

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Some cleaning up done[edit]

I have added a few wikilinks, removed redundant "list" references that duplicated inline footnote references, converted deprecated inline external links to references and removed nonexistent categories. I also removed maintenance tags that are no longer relevant. Remaining unresolved issues are the referencing - the very long list of journal articles and other sources should be converted to inline footnotes so that the sourcing is clearer and the redundant list entries can be removed. I'm not sure how the categorization can be improved but addition of nonexistent categories are not helpful. The article is a "perfect" orphan, I could not find even one other article that mentions this subject at all, subject specialist editors should try to solve this. (My archeological knowledge outside of Stone Age Southern Africa is very limited.) General content improvements that could be made are the addition of some of the history of the excavation project and perhaps a few photos and maps of the site. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:14, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Dear Roger! Thanks for all your improvements:) and being so helpful! I will try to add some of the missig bits you suggested. Could you please advise me how to connect to the suggested wikiprojects? Thanks! Gabi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.46.246.183 (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get involved with WikiProjects (a very good idea!) it would be best if you first log in with a static username because IP addresses have a nasty habit of changing periodically which makes keeping track of your activities over an extended period basically impossible. Once you have a username you add yourself to a WikiProject by looking for a section or tab on the project's page that lists participants - you simply add your signature (automatically generated by typing ~~~~ (WP:Four tildes) to the list. By the way, the same "four tildes" method of signing should be used when you post on any Talk page. The Project pages - and their associated talk pages - will contain a variety of information and conversations about the project's activities - which you are welcome to participate in. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Matrica Museum web page[edit]

This page on the Matrica Museum website contains a lot of good information that would probably be interesting to the non-specialist average Wikipedia reader. Use it as a source to expand this article. Particularly the history of the dig itself (which isn't mentioned here at all); when did the dig start, who started, it etc. - and the overall background context of the international Bronze Age Europe project. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

I have just discovered that "földvár" translates to "earthwork". Thus I propose moving this article to "Százhalombatta earthwork" per the WP:Article titles policy. If my understanding is incorrect, or there is a different title that is commonly used in English for this site, please say so. We cannot use "Százhalombatta" alone because it is the proper name of a town, and the article about it already exists anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for being so helpful improving our article and spending time to fix it .. well you are professional:). "Unfortunately" we cannot change the title as you proposed. Százhalombatta-Földvár is the proper name of this site (although földvár as a noun means eartwork indeed). But as this is a name we cannot really translate it I guess. The offocial SAX website will be upgraded soon with lots of info about the tell/dig. Once it is done we will link it to wikipedia (what you already did - now we "just" need to fill up the project site:)). Therefore, we "only" wanted a small entry here that would lead everyone to the other site. Hope this makes sence:) I thouth accepting wiki article would take quite long so I started with that and will turn to the website soon. Not knowing wiki from the editor side I was suffering but "finding" you was my real luck 31.46.242.167 (talk) 10:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK so "Földvár" is correct as part of the proper name of the site. Is the hyphen correct or should it be "Százhalombatta Földvár"? (It's a minor point but getting it right is worthwhile and very easy to do.) By the way, a guide on how to pronounce it correctly would be a very useful addition. From the article about the town WP:IPA for "Százhalombatta" is "Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈsaːzhɒlombɒtːɒ]" so we only need help with "Földvár" - is "Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈføldvaːr]" correct?
You might have intended to write just a little article but now that it is here there is no reason why it cannot expand to become even better and more comprehensive. That's how Wikipedia works, someone starts a little article and then other contributors come along and add to it and improve it until hopefully one day it becomes a WP:Featured article. Take a look at a few Featured articles about archeological sites - Lothal, Takalik Abaj, Nico Ditch - this page can also grow up to become such a high quality article. I will recover the long list of sources that used to be in the article and place it here so that future contributors will have easy access to it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:46, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of further sources[edit]

This list of sources (recovered from an early version of the article) would probably be useful for expanding and improving the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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It was a misunderstanding between me and my colleagues to put all the refs up (they meant a few) and you pointed out it was better to remove since they were not connected to the text anyway... Thank you for changing the pic's text ... would have been the next thing to sort out ... I will add the universities' links tonigh as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gk239 (talkcontribs) 14:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's a really nice list - I hope future editors get good use out of it. Please feel free to add more articles, and other sources, to it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

I think the article could easily be improved by adding a few images - a map or overhead aerial photo would be particularly useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]