Talk:Taiji, Wakayama

November 2007 incident

Weekly Sincho 29 November issue reported the Fishermen's version of the 2007 November incident.

When the fishermen tried to release smaller dolphins for a conseravtional purpose, the campaigners came into the sea again. The fishermen tried to get the campainers back to the beach because the fishermen feard dolphins getting agitated and out of control. Because the fishermen and the campaigners didn't speake each other's language, the fishermen used their fishing sticks to push the surf boards.

http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/shukanshincho/tachiyomi/20071129_1.html (japanese language) Tarafuku10 (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Unverified Claims

This line is uncited and should be removed.

"In 1979, environmental filmmaker Hardy Jones first went to Taiji to attempt to free 200 melon-headed whales which had been captured by fishermen for food for lions at the Shirahama Zoo.[citation needed]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.123.4.230 (talk) 18:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Head paragraph POV

Although the article of the Guardian refers to "international condemnation", it is not fair to the subject matter to write "Taiji's annual dolphin slaughter attracts worldwide condemnation" on its own in the head pageparagraph.

I understand the hunt is a controversial issue and those who "condemn" the hunt include international people. However, the hunt is performed under the permission of local government and there are international people who question those who "condemn" the hunt (for example, see the “Reception and aftermath“ section of The Cove).

Writing a one-sided view with a strong wording such as "worldwide condemnation" in the head paragraph without discussing pros and cons is misleading.

The pros and cons are discussed in the "Annual dolphin hunt and its criticism" section.Tarafuku10 (talk) 23:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Dolphin Hunt

Fat annual dolphin hunt

I feel like the dolphin hunt section is getting bloated. Moving politics about the movie to the movie's wiki page would slim things down a bit, but we should also be careful not to allow this article to be used to political activity from now on... Yaki-gaijin (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I would argue that both the movie *and* the politics are notable - sufficiently so that we could afford to have:

• a dedicated article for Taiji with a dedicated section for the dolphin hunt, linking to
• a dedicated article for the Taiji Dolphin hunt, as well as
• a dedicated article for the movie

I'm quite sure each topic is verifiably notable, and it makes sense to keep them separate. DolphinSPA (talk) 04:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan! Yaki-gaijin (talk) 05:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, there's already an article about Whaling in Japan and there's an article about Dolphin drive hunting in Japan, so you could either add to those articles, or make all new ones as you proposed. Either way, the current section on this article is getting way too bloated now. Yaki-gaijin (talk) 06:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Killing Estimates

There are criticisms of the dolphin hunting practices in Taiji, particularly after the release of the film, The Cove. There are disputed sources about the number of dolphins affected by the hunts. It is important to note the varying estimates, which range from 1100-23,000. It is dishonest to include merely the lower. I am skeptical as to the affiliations of several vigilant editors who don't want the higher numbers associated with the site-- for example DAJF and Nihonjoe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.187.220 (talk) 06:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any other sources (other than the Huffington Post) that cite the higher estimates? Yaki-gaijin (talk) 08:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, I've been editing on Wikipedia with DAJF and NihonJoe for a long time now, and I believe they are knowledgeable and edit in good faith. Yaki-gaijin (talk) 08:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I certainly don't have any affiliations with any of the places, organizations, or people mentioned in this article. I am just a Wikipedia editor concerned that sensationalist figures casually bandied about by amateur reporters and blog writers on the web are now being presented here as valid facts despite the fact that they differ significantly (by an order of magnitude) from the estimates published both by the Japanese government and Ric O'Barry of the OPS (who is hardly likely to underestimate the numbers). I suggest you read my comments at Talk:The_Cove_(film)#2,300_Dolphins and then ask yourself whether you have not fallen victim to the propaganda campaign. --DAJF (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

You can be skeptical all you want. I never read the HP myself. I don't play with dolphins, either, nor have I ever been on a boat in the open ocean. The HP is known to play fast and loose with the facts, and they are therefore not to be trusted as a source of facts. If you can find those numbers being reported by a legitimate news organization, we can add them back in. Otherwise, no. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:58, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hunt?

• Would it be a violation of the policy of neutrality if the term "massacre" or "slaughter" was used instead of hunt. "Hunt" does not accurately describe this atrocity! DrLeonP (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC).

• killing would be the most appropiate I think, and NUMBERS would be the most descriptive, --afa86 (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC).

• There's a WP copyeditor guideline against the overuse of the gerund as a noun, so killing should be avoided if possible. Hunt is the best term in most cases. I can concur with slaughter in limited or specific contexts because that's what happens, according to its definition (it's used in the text at least once). In other cases, the term becomes POV, as the term massacre clearly is.
• I've added numbers, with references, that I found in the article Taiji dolphin drive hunt (which is also linked in the text of this article). Boneyard90 (talk) 23:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Mercury testing

Some new information about mercury testing of Taiji residents has been added to the dolphin hunt section of the article. I suggest that we make a new heading like "Health" or "Mercury levels" or something because directly linking the mercury to the annual dolphin hunt is in violation of WP:NOR I think Yaki-gaijin (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I don't think any OR or synthesis is occurring, however, because both articles link the health testing to the dolphin hunt and the town's associated culture of eating dolphin and whale meat. Cla68 (talk) 01:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Protest Section

The Protest section was un-done, as it did not seem a significant aspect of the town's history or present status, since they are neither ongoing nor are they significantly disruptive of the economy or culture. Protests and criticism are mentioned in a broader sense, which should suffice. Additional specific information concerning whale and dolphin-hunting protests can be added to pre-existing articles or article sections, such as:

• Dolphin drive hunting#Japan#Protests
• Whaling in Japan#Opposition

Relevant articles concerning the protests can and should be mentioned in the "See also" section. Boneyard90 (talk) 03:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

How did Taiji fare with the Tsunami?

I can find nothing through Google, I suspect at least some fraction of the tsunami reverberated there?--Tallard (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

"Fraction" is right. The "tsunami" was probably less than a meter at Taiji. With Taiji's protected marina and rocky shoreline, I doubt the wave even washed up anywhere unusual. The earthquake and devastation was far to the north, near Sendai. You can see the difference in the locations by the maps in the infoboxes. Boneyard90 (talk) 10:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Protected Article

This article should be protected, or semi-protected, Because of all the controversy related to the dolphin hunting recently exposed by the documentary The Cove. --afa86 (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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