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Rewrite[edit]

I have totally re-written the first half of this article, because, I agree, it's not that good. I have tried to talk about telepresence in its abstract form; the sense of being somewhere else. I then talked about implementation, but tried to keep it separate.

I hope this will make a good base for an expanding article. Rocketmagnet 22:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the opening sections a little, inserting more section headings to shorten the lead section, expanding slightly on the familiar examples of television and telephones to establish a conceptual framework for telepresence, adding more links, etc. The entry about PEBBLES in Telepresence#Commercial Telepresence Robots reads a bit like promotional language, but I did not edit it. --Teratornis 00:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very good. I like the bit about telephones. They are a lovely example of telepresence. Rocketmagnet 18:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this strikes me as blatant advertising from DVE. There are several Telepresence companies and this seems written very much from DVE's perspective. Should be more neutral. I removed the Entertainment section as this seemed the most biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zar2424 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions page is more relavent[edit]

Ironically the Discussions page is becoming more relavent and better documented than the article. Someone (maybe me) should merge this page with the article. 23 March 2006 -- Tmcsheery

The underlying word is Teleoperation and definitely warrants an entry. It is most commonly associated with robotics but can be applied to a whole range of circumstances in which a device or machine is operated by a person from a distance. "Teleoperation" is a standard term in use both in research and technical communities and is by far the most standard term for referring to operation at a distance. "telepresence" is a less standard term and might refer to a whole range of existence or interaction with a remote connotation. 1 Feb. 2006 --Androidchild 21:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I consider a teleoperator to be distinct from a telepresense, and so consider the merger to not be a good idea. Leonard G. 05:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


[JVD, 1:43, 15 December 2005] I think the article confuses "telepresence" with "teleoperator" and fails to capture the the whole meaning of the former. I'd move the "applications" into the teleoperator description and replace the article with this:


Telepresence is a term that developed in the context of teleoperated robots when users reported a sense of being actually present in a remote environment.

The term is used several ways in science and engineering today. First, it may be used to refer to the quality of a human-machine interface. That is, when displays and controls are very efficient a teleoperator may be said to have good telepresence. This quality of a human-machine interface may also be called transparency because users metaphorically don't "see" the interface and can concentrate on the remote work. In this sense, telepresence is sometimes used interchangeably with immersion or immersiveness.

Second, telepresence may be used to refer to the experience, as in the original usage. In this sense it is similar to virtual presence, with the difference that, in the strictest sense, telepresence occurs in the context of teleoperation and virtual presence occurs in the context of virtual reality. As telerobots often include aspects of virtual reality, the distinction between telepresence and virtual presence may be moot. It should be noted that the experience of telepresence is not entirely dependant on either the transparency or immersiveness of the human-machine interface, although good transparency or immersiveness can promote the experience.

Third, telepresence is sometimes used to refer to the hardware and software that allow teleoperation, as when a teleoperator is called a "telepresence system." In a similar sense, telepresence has come to be used in telecommunication to refer to the ability to communicate in a rich and natural manner with people at a distance.

Source: J.V. Draper, D.B. Kaber, and J.M. Usher, "Telepresence," Human Factors, 1998, 40(3), pp. 354-375.


Telepresence is often associated with immersion in a remote location although it could also be used in medical and research applications where the scale is the important differentiator, not distance. In many cases the location can be completely simulated, although the source could be actual photographs or videos.

Teleoperation and telerobotics could certainly be merged, but here you need a mechanical system to operate. While I would consider teleoperation and telerobotics a subset of telepresence, commercially I expect they will dwarf the telepresence in a few years and I'm not sure you want to merge the larger set with vitual and augmented worlds with the robotic applications. TMcSheery

This definition really needs an update ...[edit]

Telepresence consists of Tele- meaning "distant" and the concept of "presence." Presence is a state of consciousness and closely related to immersion and the "suspension of disbelieve." The entry should mention Minsky, (who invented the term) and should also refer to these papers (Sheridan, 1992, 1992; Barfield & Weghorst, 1993; Slater & Usoh, 1994; Barfield, Sheridan, Zeltzer, Slater, 1995) "telepresence" (Minsky 1980; Sheridan 1992a; Barfield, Zelter, Sheridan, & Slater 1995; Welch, Blackmon, Liu, Mellers, & Stark 1996), "virtual presence" (Barfield et al., 1995), "being there" (Reeves 1991; Heeter 1992; Barfield et al., 1995; Zhoa 2003), "a perceptual illusion of non-mediation "(Lombard & Ditton 1997) and "the suspension of disbelief" (Slater & Ushoh 1994). IMHO: As the entry is now it is a rather biased and unprofessional definition of telematics - and has only little to do with the fascinating epistemological and phenomenological qualities of it.


Plagiarism?[edit]

This sentence in the article:

"For any telepresence system there are three essential sub-systems, i.e. the home site technology which interfaces to the user and the communication link, the communication link itself which interfaces to the home site and the remote site, and the remote site technology which interfaces with the communication link and possibly a remote site human."

seems to be taken word-for-word from The Transparent Telepresence Research Group Webpage. Probably good to cite such things, no?

138.23.202.159 06:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The current article is much weaker than the current discussion. The current article is, in fact, flat-out wrong. It confuses immersion and teleoperation with telepresence.

Linkfarm[edit]

Most of the external links should be removed per WP:SPAM, WP:EL, WP:NOT#LINK --Ronz 22:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Telepresence: a matter of degree and 9/11[edit]

Is the reference to "...the infamous September 11 terrorist attacks" really necessary in the section Telepresence: a matter of degree. Sounds like someone is promoting cause. While I believe that this is a valid thing to do, an encyclopedia is not the proper place to for it.-- hɑkeem¡ʇuɐɹɯǝǝʞɐɥ 10:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Augmented reality conferencing[edit]

perhaps augmented reality and AR conferencing may be named or page may be merged —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.13.152 (talk) 07:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DVE Inc[edit]

Someone has been deleting DVE from the Telepresence suppliers list. This must stop. I re-added Digital Video Enterprises, Inc (DVE) to the list of Telepresence suppliers. DVE is one of the top manufactures in the world in this product category.-- 21:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Please provide an independent reliable source. Note that the repeated addition of a link to the home page of DVE is considered spamming. --Ronz (talk) 21:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the link to DVE's home page......-- 20:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

ABI telepresence report http://www.abiresearch.com/research/1003771-The+Global+Telepresence+Market DVE was given the best telepresence technology in the world-- 21:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

The report isn't easily available for verification, and the related press releases don't mention DVE. Have any others refs? --Ronz (talk) 21:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ABI research report is the most comprehensive Telepresence report ever written. Covering every aspect of Telepresence worldwide. This report is the best independent evidence of DVE’s stance in the Telepresence Industry. DVE is the oldest Telepresence Company established in 1995. We hold the largest Telepresence patent base in the world related to eye-contact and Telepresence ergonomics. The July 2009 issue of AV Tech. magazine used DVE product photo in there article. 

   http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/avtech_200907/#/50

Last year The Institute of Engineering Technology wrote: http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/issues/0816/comms-holograms-0816.cfm —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs) 21:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the IET reference. --Ronz (talk) 23:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you-- 02:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

Confusing: split into two articles?[edit]

This article jumps between two different things, both referred to as "telepresence", that it is trying to describe. This probably reflects the common usage of the term to describe different things.

The article is part of WikiProject Robotics, which might lead one to believe that it's talking about telepresence robots. This is represented by statements like, "The ability to manipulate a remote object or environment is an important aspect of real telepresence systems" and discussion of applications like bomb disposal and remote surgery.

On the other hand, most of the pictures in the article and mention of products from Cisco and Polycom describe a very different technology, which is the use of very-high definition video and audio conferencing to give the illusion of being in the same room for a conference. There is no robotic aspect to these products.

I'd like to suggest that this be split into two articles, perhaps Telepresence (conferencing) and Telepresence (robotics). There is some overlap still, such as the robotic products whose purpose is primarily to represent a remote attendee at a meeting, but two articles can come much closer to talking about one subject each. --Flashcube (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even just sections would help, and a breakdown between
  1. established consumer
  2. established industrial
  3. experimental
  4. theroretical
applications. Rich Farmbrough, 03:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Crystal[edit]

I removed some unref'd "could be used for" paragraphs. Rich Farmbrough, 03:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Hypermirror[edit]

I think this article should be merged here; the hypermirror is a type of telepresence and there doesn't seem to be enough coverage of it to keep a separate article. Fences&Windows 21:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry -it doesn't appear to be directly related to Telepresence. It is a video link system, and may or may not be in high-def, but it doesn't fit the conventional modality of videoconferencing. I'd prefer to see it remain as a stand-alone if it can be improved, or combined into some other tech article if it can't. There appears to be enough hits on Google to improve the article with those materials, b.t.w. Mentioning the article in See Also would be perfectly OK. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A3Dii[edit]

Arena3D Industrial Illusion also provides holographic telepresence and would like to be added to providers. www.arena3d.com - we do this worldwide not just in the US. Fmjacket (talk) 04:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True Telepresence[edit]

The Commercial Telepresence section was completely removed without discussion first. As I understand edit rules and procedures. This edit was inappropriate. Therefore the “ Commercial Telepresence “ Section was re-edited as it was.

In the future please reframe from complete removal of subject topics without authority… --True Telepresence 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

The material appears to have been added only to promote certain companies, so I've removed it once again. --Ronz (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed that section as it was full of spam and added nothing of educational value about telepresence. The article exists to tell people about telepresence, not to tell them what system to buy or to be a commercial advert, and we already have a whole article listing commercial systems. We all have "authority" here on Wikipedia, me as much as any other editor. You didn't like my edit, so you should discuss it especially now you've been reverted. As your username and action indicate somewhat of a conflict of interest, please read WP:COI and WP:SPAM again, and actually take heed of what they say this time (you've been warned about this before). Fences&Windows 23:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with your premise. That the commercial telepresence section had no value for your readers. The “commercial Telepresence “ section was in place for over a year. I just put it back as it was without any changes. Do you have the authority to make changes without discussing it first? Please explain why “ technology enhancements “ remains. Clearly an ad, Company name, location even pricing… can’t buy why not lease. I guess it slipped past you. Perhaps you can remove that one too. If you’re so concerned about promoting company names. Telepresence is evolving into New and different experiences. In my opinion your readers will need more up to date industry trend Information. One last point, “ modern telepresence “ could also use a bit of your handiwork. Why Single out Cisco or HP. You could get your ideas across without referring to any telepresence provider. True Telepresence isn’t a conflict as you asserted. Are you suggesting I change my user name in order to make edits? Maybe I’ll change my user name to ” real expert” do you approve? --True Telepresence 05:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

It's obvious you have a commercial interest in teleprescence: changing your username won't change that. So read WP:COI and WP:SPAM again, properly. "Do you have the authority to make changes without discussing it first?". Do you have the first idea about how Wikipedia works? Removing spam without discussion first is called being bold. The length of time a section has been in an article is irrelevant. A common cycle of editing is called "bold, revert, discuss", which is what we're doing right now. I'm not against mentioning commercial providers in the article in appropriate places back by independent, secondary reliable sources, but I am against having a dedicated section on them, which is just a spam magnet. Fences&Windows 12:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC) p.s. Sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) and indent your comments below the comment you're replying to using a colon (:). Fences&Windows 12:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I have read the rules. I’m assuming they apply to us both. Right now I’m studding how to file a dispute. From what I have read concerning promoting a company. The “Telepresence Enhancements” section is in Violations of the guidelines. Company name, Location, Product, Pricing with lease option even bandwidth costs…… My only take away from our exchange minus your and my tone. Is that rules can be overlooked if you deem the entry educational. Actually, I respect your tendencies in this regard. Personally I work with higher education worldwide. Educators, masters and doctoral candidates prospective play a large role in what I do for a living. My focus has been from an educational vision not commercial. I have been researching VC and recently telepresence for over 15 years. Mostly relating to human factors and ergonomics. I have over 14 issued patents on this subject. Have written numerous Articles. And have been quoted in many publications worldwide on this subject matter. As well as educational telepresence speakers panels. I would like you to review a YouTube video. This video has only been posted for two months. According to top independent telepresence industry experts. The Immersion Room represents a new Standard in both presentational abilities as well as telepresence. The Immersion Room is the new trend in telepresence. Codec’s, bandwidth, VC technologies have peaked. Their current trend line is smaller cheaper. Hardware codec’s are being replaced with robust software Codec’s for nearly free. The new trend is about the telepresence experience. Please review this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAIDXzv_fKA let’s have a discussion regarding the new trends telepresence is undergoing. I’m excited and hope to transfer my enthusiasm over to your readers…..


--True Telepresence 16:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

"Right now I’m studding how to file a dispute." I'm not clear what you're disputing. WP:DR discusses dispute resolution. If you want to head off a discussion of your conflict of interest, WP:COIN is the proper forum. --Ronz (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

> —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs) 17:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

>> —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs) 17:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Immersion Room was developed over many years and is covered by multiple issued patents. Conferee’s can be seen walking around in the conference room as a hologram interacting with real stereo 3D images. I believe the Relevant nature of this Telepresence system would be a perfect fit For the “ Telepresence Enhancements “ section. Also providing real educational value. Below are independently authored articles on Immersion Room subject. YouTube video link, and news release. The Immersion Room won " Globle Telepresence Product of the year 2009 " besting Cisco, HP, Tandberg and all others ( See news release ).

http://www.seopressreleases.com/global-telepresence-product-year-award-3d-holographic-meetings-unveiled-public-dvetelepresencecom/6907

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/190456/dve_brings_3d_look_to_meeting_system.html

http://www.brcacoustics.com/documents/ProAV%20Articles/ProAVNOV07_Feature_Being_There.pdf

http://www.telepresenceworld.net/articles/16/1/Using-Telepresence-to-Bridge-the-Gulf-in-Distance-Learning/Page1.html

http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/issues/0816/comms-holograms-0816.cfm

http://goafrit.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/facilitating-technology-diffusion-in-africa/

http://proavmagazine.com/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1771&articleID=869863

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/030210-dve-brings-3-d-look-to.html?hpg1=bn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAIDXzv_fKA --True Telepresence 17:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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Ronz,..


Digital Video Enterprises (DVE) of Irvine CA. has been inventing and patenting telepresence technologies that allow remote participants to interact on stage or behind a telepresence podium with large audiences as a solid extremely lifelike hologram. DVE Recently finished developing a telepresence immersion room allowing distant conferee’s to walk around inside a large conference room as a hologram like image interacting with stereo 3D images, or live presenters standing next to and interacting with virtual holographic distant conferee’s.

Note: Ronz, this is what I would like to insert into the “ Telepresence Enactments “ Section with article links --True Telepresence 21:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Ronz, I would like link my update to the articals listed above. Please help with the link......

Video of immersion room added --True Telepresence 14:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)--True Telepresence 14:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

THX,--True Telepresence 14:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

Sorry that I've not had the time to respond to your comments. I've made a request for someone else to help you. --Ronz (talk) 18:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Made edit to Vision...--True Telepresence 20:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Made edit to Telepresence Art....True Telepresence 21:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

Third opinion[edit]

I'm here responding to a request posted on Wikipedia:Third opinion. Third opinion requests should be used to resolve disputes between two parties (i.e. make a tiebreaking decision). There are more than two editors involved in the section above. I'll render an opinion anyway if it will help form a consensus.

After looking at the edit history over the past few days, and reading the discussion above, I'm going to have to agree with Ronz and Fences&Windows.

I observe that True Telepresence has inserted arguably promotional material into the article, as well as deleted sourced material without explanation. That's bad form, but it's excusable for an inexperienced editor. While True Telepresence has been on Wikipedia since 2008, his editing history reveals a lack of experience, which will improve over time.

A conflict of interest is suggested by True Telepresence's focus on one company, and possibly also by referring to sources that he may have written himself. True Telepresence has also admitted to a conflict of interest by referring to "we" when discussing DVE in a previous section. A conflict of interest isn't necessarily a bad thing. In any case, proposing changes here first is a good idea for someone with a conflict of interest.

My advice to True Telepresence:

  • First, use the edit summary field when you make any edit. Failure to explain your edits makes you look like a vandal or a spammer. Explaining your edits in the summary field lets others know the rationale behind what you did.
  • Be aware that your personal expertise isn't really relevant on Wikipedia. While it helps to have someone with expertise in a subject edit an associated article, expertise still doesn't legitimize insertion of poorly-sourced material, nor does expertise legitimize removal of properly sourced material.
  • Regarding sources: Primary sources (like press releases), community sites, self-published works, YouTube videos, and blogs are generally not acceptable sources. See the policies Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Some of the sources you listed above look OK. Others clearly don't.
  • It isn't appropriate to single out one company, DVE, for showcasing in this article. I think we have consensus on that point, because a COI vote doesn't really count. There are many similar companies in existence, and several of them also have interesting technology. If DVE is a notable company that meets WP:CORP criteria, it should have its own article.
  • I don't have a problem with writing about the technology itself with proper sourcing (and if the sources mention DVE, that's fine), because this article is about the technology, not the companies that make it. I would suggest more neutral alternative text like this: "Telepresence technologies have advanced sufficiently to allow remote participants to interact on stage or behind a telepresence podium with large audiences as a lifelike stereo 3D image, with conference participants the ability to walk around the conference room interacting with the images." — and provide appropriate sources.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Breath of fresh air…… What I have not been able to understand throughout my learning process:

  1. I have observed sweeping changes made by others without using the discussion page.
  2. Please look at the” Vision” segment. Do you see an issue per your suggestions?

My Thoughts...

Telepresence by Cisco and the others. Is really nothing more than what in the past was called Videoconferencing. Display, camera on top and a table X3. Here’s the problem, videoconferencing never lived up to its hype. So now we have Telepresence new and improved videoconferencing... the videoconferencing/telepresence industry still has the same problems plus a few more. People would still rather meet in person. Telepresence is still not completely trusted as a real alternative to a face to face meeting in the flesh. Meeting from a form factor table with people who are looking at your chest or and 30 degrees off will not suffice. The DVE Immersion Room is a real breakthrough. I would like to see “Immersive Telepresence” covered. Telepresence should Not be about codec’s or how many people you see at one time. Can telepresence replace the need to travel... That’s it.

SVC software codec’s downloaded for pennies or free onto a laptop right now. Can display the same image quality, with voice Activated switching, multipoint functionality. And will work using public IP internet instead of very high cost MPLS managed networks. A smart business person could connect the laptop with a installed SVC software codec to a 60 inch display. Purchased at a local store with a 100 dollar 1080P camera and experience the same or better Cisco, Tandberg, Polycom quality. Without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lets talk about the future now. I will create a new section heading “telepresence future” perhaps you can assist me. True Telepresence 15:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by True Telepresence (talk • contribs)

Regarding your point (1): Sweeping changes without discussion are often fine if the change is not controversial, and the editor has no conflict of interest. This is in line with Wikipedia's exhortation to be bold. That said, sometimes inappropriate stuff gets in and doesn't get noticed by more experienced editors.
Regarding your point (2): The "Vision" section inappropriately, and unnecessarily, touts a company. Thanks for pointing it out. The company name has been removed.
Following those points, you wrote what amounts to an advertisement for DVE. Yes, it may be a breakthrough. You need some sources backing up that assertion. And DVE isn't the only such company. Again, there is no need to single out DVE in an article about the technology. If DVE can pass the WP:CORP criteria for having its own stand-alone article on Wikipedia, perhaps you might want to work on that too.
Feel free to edit the article constructively without promoting your company DVE. The WP:UNDUE principle should guide you, with your background and industry expertise, in determining what parts of the article have undue weight and should be shortened, and what should be expanded. Generally, out-of-date information is worthwhile keeping if historical facts have encyclopedic value (this is an encyclopedia, after all); otherwise such information should be trimmed. And obscure facts that may be interesting but don't have much reliable-source coverage should not be emphasized. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Big Hunk of Information missing[edit]

Why does this article concentrate so much on video conferencing technology? Telepresence also covers remote control vehicles (including submarines), remote manipulators (waldos), and more. Volumes have been written on the subject; I remember reading a book on the subject in the late 1970's; this article suggest that the concept didn't exist before the first videoconferencing company was founded in the early 1990's. Was this article extensively edited by ad agencies working for videoconferencing providers?--69.14.232.24 (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article was edited in part by editors with conflicts of interest. The article content, however, should reflect the common usage of the term. Please feel free to add to it appropriately. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The user is correct. There is an unusual focus on video conferencing. Telepresence is much more than just that. Viriditas (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who gets credit for coining the term?[edit]

In Marvin Minsky's 1980 article he says "I prefer to call this ‘telepresence’, a name suggested by my futurist friend Patrick Gunkel" - so shouldn't Gunkel get credit?http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Telepresence.html

Telepresence vs Videoconferencing[edit]

The article seems to indicate that some undefined extra fidelity in vision in sound turns videoconferencing into telepresence. This essentially means any commercial videoconferencing supplier starts to call themselves a supplier of telepresence technology. I think we already have a word for the provision of real time sight and sound two way, which is the word "videoconferencing". Something that allows you to effect a result remotely is clearly different, and would warrant a new word. I think the use of the word telepresence in terms of videoconferencing no matter the fidelity is not a vaild use of the word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.219.148 (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article does not reflect research[edit]

In a more narrow sense, teleimmersion technologies capture, transmit, and reproduce spatial models from a remote place that convey spatial cues (e.g., (perspectively correct) eye-contact, gaze-direction, gestures, speaker position (audio and video) ) and/or allows to manipulate a remote site. The aim of this higher degree of immersion is to provoke a sense of presence or co-presence to make communication more natural.

In a very broad sense, teleimmersion technologies immerse a user or a group of users over distance (e.g., telephone, letters, postcards).

This article does not reflect this fundamental importance of spatial immersion, it ignores current research, and it does not or poorly link to important related topics (e.g., Mixed Reality, Telerobotics, Lightfields, Free Viewpoint Video, Presence, Latency).

Furthermore, I fully agree with the various comments on this talk page: parts of this article read like promotional material for commercial telepresence systems. Most commercial shared table telepresence systems try to establish perspectively correct eye contact by carefully chosen camera-seating-display arrangements. Mostly, that's about it. The perspective breaks as soon as users move. Oftentimes, the term telepresence is misused as a marketing buzzword for higher quality video conferencing systems.

I propose that this article's focus is on spatial immersion as a means to convey non-verbal cues. It should describe the two main fields/aspects of teleimmersion: immersive (video) telecommunication (reproduce spatial video/model from remote location) and telerobotics (change remote location). A current paper that gives a fundamental theory of possible spatial immersion concepts is: 'Tele-Immersion Concepts', IEEE Transactions on Visualization and Computer Graphics, Preprint 2017.

I propose the implementation section to be structured along a typical tele-immersion systems pipeline (e.g, scene capture, compression, transmission, perspective reproduction). This section should only give an overview of the used technology and link to corresponding wikipedia articles for more details (e.g., 3D Displays, Head-Mounted Displays, Camera Arrays, Depth Cameras, Lightfields, Robotics, Multi-View Video Compression). This section should also discuss the fundamental latency issues in telerobotics and spatial video telephony.

I propose a section that describes the main classes of commercially available teleimmersion systems, most important possibly, telepresence video conferencing systems and (more recent) mobil telepresence robots, and describe their current limitations.

Finally, I propose to rename the article to teleimmersion and link telepresence to it. In my opinion, this is the far better choice, see: 'A note on presence terminology' by Mel Slater, Presence Connect. This should be explained early on and the (wikipedia) article 'Presence (telepresence)' should be linked.

The article should mention influential research systems. Some research articles (mainly from spatial video telephony research) that come to mind:

  • 'A teleconferencing system capable of multiple person eye contact (MPEC) using half mirrors and cameras placed at common points of extended lines of gaze', 1995
  • 'The Office of the Future', 1998
  • 'TELEPORT— towards immersive copresence', 1999
  • 'Social tele-embodiment: Understanding presence', 2001 (current telepresence robots)
  • 'The coliseum immersive teleconferencing system', 2002
  • 'An immersive 3D video-conferencing system using shared virtual team user environments', 2002
  • 'blue-c: a spatially immersive display and 3D video portal for telepresence', SIGGRAPH 2003
  • '3D TV: A Scalable System for Real-Time Acquisition, Transmission and Autostereoscopic Display of Dynamic Scenes', 2004
  • 'The GrImage platform: A mixed reality environment for interactions', 2006
  • 'MultiView: Improving trust in group video conferencing through spatial faithfulness', 2007
  • 'The extended window metaphor for large high-resolution displays', 2010
  • 'A first look at a telepresence system with room-sized real-time 3D capture and life-sized tracked display wall', 2011
  • 'Beaming: An asymmetric telepresence system', 2012
  • 'Implementing eye-to-eye contactin in life-sized video-conferencing', 2012
  • 'Immersive group- to-group telepresence', 2013
  • 'Room-sized Informal telepresence system', 2012
  • '3D teleimmersion for collaboration and interaction of geographically distributed users', 2013

I am a researcher in the field which means there may be a conflict of interest. Yausr (talk) 20:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holographic Telepresence?[edit]

Hello

Mayhaps I missed it, but am I correct in that the article does not get into so-called holograhic telepresence but only briefly touches upon it in the sentence "Another source of future improvement to telepresence displays, compared by some to holograms, is a projected display technology featuring life-sized imagery.[12]"? If so, then I think it should, as that is after all a technology that has been considered revolutionary within the area. As a couple of examples, in 2014 the would-be Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi delivered campaign speeches across india at 126 sites simultaneously via holographic telepresence, and Prince Charles also used the technology back in 2008 delivering a speech delivering a speach. 

Okama-San (talk) 16:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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