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Oh, certainly, this is the good article. I thought a stub was needed so I made Thai Ridgeback Dog. It doesn't have any useful info that isn't already contained here. So I'll re-orient any links to the TRD article, and then ask for speedy deletion.

"UC Fresno study"[edit]

This information added " In 2001-2002 at the University of California, Fresno Veterinary College, a genetic study of 300 DNA samples taken of Thai Ridgebacks from across Thailand found the Thai Ridgeback to be a unique breed unrelated to the Rhodesian or Phu Quoc dogs. " is blatantly wrong. First off there is no "UC Fresno." I have been in contact with the university and tracked down the actual study which actually provides evidence of a common ancestor. You can see the study here http://diss-epsilon.slu.se/archive/00001669/ And it was done by Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences. Some samples were collected by Dr Mark Neff at UC Davis Regalthai (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

History in error[edit]

I believe this section is in error with known facts. Phu Quoc was the island where the western dog-fancier first encountered the breed and obtained the dog in the 19th century, when the island was colonized. However, it is long known that the so called Phu Quoc Dog and the Thai Ridgeback is one and the same dog. Actually, this dog is found in Thailand, Vietnam, Kamphuchea (Cambodia) and Indonesia. However, the it is found only on the islands of Vietnam, Kamphuchea and Indonesia, while it is found on both the islands and the mainland of Thailand. Nevertheless, the Thai Ridgeback and Phu Quoc Dog is one and the same breed, as stated by Ph.D. S. Wannakrairoj in 1995.

When S. Wannakrairoj state that the Phu Quoc Dog and the Thai Ridgeback is one and the same, he is of course 100% right. However, there is of course a distinct difference between the original ridgeback type (the dog from Phu Quoc if you like), which was primarily a semi-wild swift hunting dog, and the Thai Ridgeback of today, which has been breed to gain weight and so be more of a street fighter. This dog i no longer a hunter, but a product of modern breeding with a primitive attitude. There may still be a few original ridgebacks’ out there of course.

However, there seems to be a great deal of confusion regarding the ridgeback, which really is just one of three different varieties of the Boran Dog (a.k.a. the Mah Thai). The two other are the common Thai Dog and the Siamese Hairless Dog. The last by many thought to be extinct, though some experts believe some may have survived in northeastern parts of Thailand. Only time will tell ;-) Tbjornstad 16:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Thai Ridgeback is likely to have been the only primitime hunting dog in the world, having a rigdeback. The Hottentot Hunting Hound, which is known under many different local names and not at all extinct, but today recognized as one of several varieties of the South African breed known as the Africanis, is likely to be a primitive cross breed between the Thai dog and the African dog. As such, puppies of Africanis is still born with or without ridgeback, in a mixed litter. - Tbjornstad 08:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the statement that the dog is no longer a hunter. If left to their own devices, (which happens very commonly in Thailand as the people are primarily buddhist and vets do not euthanize animals) the dog will fend for itself and revert to feral in the jungle. I hunt with mine all the time and their natural skill rivals that of any trained modern hunting breed. I agree that the Phu Quoc and Thai Ridgeback are probably divergent varieties of the same dog but only scientific research can provide answers to theorized relationships between breeds. Regalthai (talk) 11:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

Is it possible to get a photo that shows the dog's ridge? --Pharaoh Hound 13:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The photo that has been provided and labeled a NEEDLE RIDGE is inaccurate it is not a NEEDLE RIDGE it is too wide. It is what we call a Phaen Ridge. Similar in shape to the needle ridge however it is much wider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trdpreservation (talk • contribs) 01:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reason that photo is labeled needle ridge is because this is English wikipedia and a English name for the Phaen Ridge has not been established. Needle is the closest one. Regalthai (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Info box change[edit]

An editor is changing several dog breed articles either replacing the dog breed info box template or adding a taxonomy template. In the case of this article, the dog breed info box has been removed entirely with the edit summary "Hm, no, as they are dingoes". As far as I can tell, no discussion has taken place anywhere - certainly not on the dog project. I am about to revert this again as the dog breed info box supplies the links to the breed standards as recognised by the FCI etc. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello SagaciousPhil. The breed standards cited in the taxabox returned the following results: FCI - "erreur de serveur" (that sounds so much better in the French), AKC - what is offered on that page is not a breed standard in my opinion, UKC - "the webpage cannot be found". So no standard is offered here.

Additionally, I found and quote below from 2014: An updated description of the Australian dingo (Canis dingo Meyer, 1793) [1]

Differences from other ‘dingo forms’

Note that the following canids are considered by some authors as actual dingoes with some geographical variation (Corbett, 1985, 1995). Others recognized them as separate forms (Gollan, 1982).

1 Different from the New Guinea singing dog Canis hallstromi by its greater height at the withers (Koler-Matznick et al., 2003). It resembles the New Guinea singing dog in most other morphological characteristics (Koler-Matznick et al., 2003).

2 Different from Thai pariah dogs, as defined by Corbett (1985), by being larger in cranial (total skull length of pre-20th century dingoes 189.0 mm ± 1.8; Thai pariah dog male = 179.5 mm ± 3.1, female = 173.2 mm ± 3.6) and external measurements (Corbett, 1985).

It would appear that the editor in question has some support in academia and no disagreement from the breed-standards cited in the taxabox. If they had have referred this matter to this talk page first, they may have received some support for their undertaking - however they chose not to. Regards, William Harris • talk • 02:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

William Harris The FCI and UKC changed the links to all breed standards on their websites, which is why 404 errors were being returned, I have now corrected those for this breed. The AKC also recently revamped its website and while I feel the presentation of information is now infantile and clumsy the information is still there. SagaciousPhil - Chat 05:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thailand is claimed to have the purest modern population dingoes, are these dingoes Thai Ridgeback, Thai Bangkaew Dog, or another population of dingo? Editor abcdef (talk) 06:09, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have asked the wrong question. The right question would have been "On what basis is the trinomial reference in the taxabox for the Thai Ridgeback classified as Canis lupis familiaris?". From what I am seeing, there is no citation provided. Regards, William Harris • talk • 00:48, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]