Talk:The El Dorado

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Review: February 19, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from The El Dorado appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 July 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when the pastor of an African-American church bought the El Dorado, one newspaper wrote that "its occupants are white, and were white"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The El Dorado.

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Name of the building[edit]

See Talk:The Dakota#Requested move for a discussion about using "the" in the name of an article about an apartment building in NYC's Category:Central Park West Historic District.

See also Talk:The Dakota#Request for comment which has a slightly different focus. --Enkyo2 (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's "The El Dorado" not "The Eldorado"[edit]

The name of this building is the "El Dorado" (with a space between the two words) and not the "Eldorado" (with no space). "El Dorado" is, among other things, the name displayed on the building's awning (see "Category:The El Dorado with awning showing name" in wikicommons for photos).

Changing the name of the article from "The Eldorado" to "The El Dorado" seems like the obvious thing to do, so I'll do it in a few days (with a redirect from the current name) unless somebody else either changes it before I do, or knows of some reason not to change it. UrielAcosta (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(3 Days later): Okay, I've moved the article.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 09:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The El Dorado

... that when the pastor of an African-American church bought the El Dorado, one newspaper wrote that "its occupants are white, and were white"? Source: Hicks, James L. (January 16, 1960). "Daddy Grace Dead- Millions Mourn: 'He Told Us He Was Going,' Followers Sav Gone To Another Kingdom Daddy Is Dead!". New York Amsterdam News. p. 1.
- ALT1: ... that the El Dorado became a New York City landmark because some tenants did not want the building's windows to be replaced? Source: Berger, Joseph (July 11, 1985). "New York Stock Exchange Among 6 Buildings Gaining Landmark Status". The New York Times. "The designation had been sought by a group of tenants who objected to a plan by the building's board of directors to replace the original casement windows, which are said to leak and cause water damage. Any designs for new windows would now have to be approved by the Landmarks Commission."
- ALT2: ... that a dispute over windows led to the El Dorado becoming a New York City landmark? Source: Berger, Joseph (July 11, 1985). "New York Stock Exchange Among 6 Buildings Gaining Landmark Status". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that one writer described the El Dorado as "one of the finest Art Deco structures" in New York City? Source: Ruttenbaum, Steven (1986). Mansions in the Clouds: The Skyscraper Palazzi of Emery Roth. Balsam Press. p. 144.
- ALT4: ... that the design of the El Dorado was intended to attract "new money" residents, as opposed to classical apartment buildings with "old money" tenants? Source: Ruttenbaum, Steven (1986). Mansions in the Clouds: The Skyscraper Palazzi of Emery Roth. Balsam Press. p. 144.
- Reviewed: Millie Hudson

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 13:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: I'd be remiss if we didn't try for at least one pun on The Road to El Dorado, but I got nothin'. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New enough, long enough, very well cited, hooks cited inline, QPQ complete. The pictures are fantastic, and I think a possible alternate is the second image in the article, with appropriate cropping, as the skyline is more striking. Suggestion: finding this article is surprisingly difficult - try it. I think some more hatnotes are needed on other pages.Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Bruxton (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:The El Dorado/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bruxton (talk · contribs) 17:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review[edit]

I look forward to reviewing this article.

Lead[edit]

Y "The base contains several small setbacks to comply with the 1916 Zoning Resolution." I did not find this information in the body.
- I've removed the 1916 Zoning Resolution, as it's not actually mentioned in the article. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y "Two towers rise from the eastern portion of the base above the 19th story." i did not find this information int he body
- I've fixed this. The architecture section says "two 12-story towers rise from the eastern portion of the base." Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y All other facts are supported by citations in the body. The lead is a good summary of the article.

Images[edit]

Y The article has eight images and they are clear, and properly licensed. The images also appear in the sections where they illustrate the content of the text. Bruxton (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling and grammar[edit]

Y Site section "The Majestic Apartments occupies a nearly square land lot" I am unsure how this fits in the article. Might need to add context or a set up in the paragraph?
- Oops, I meant "El Dorado". Epicgenius (talk) 23:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y Architecture section "while Margon & Holder were responsible for building's Art Deco" missing a word
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
? Base section "an incised geometric pattern. On the third story." might be an errant period here
- I think this was already changed to a comma before I started editing the article. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y Towers section "There are terracotta balconies at the 26th story" might read better with "on"?
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Y Cooperative conversion section "Balconies in central grouping of upper stories" are we missing a determiner before central?
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other[edit]

Y Development - ~~$ at first occurrence US$8.5 million MOS:MONEY also~~Someone educated me on MOS:MONEY - I still think it is a minor "best practice" but the guideline does not say it is needed in this article
? Consider adding inflation templates {{US$|62.50|1963|long=no}}. I find them interesting Bruxton (talk) 13:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Y Site - citations check out
Y Previous structure - citations check out
Y Architecture - citations check out
Y Form and facade - citations check out
Y Base - citations check out
Y Towers - citations check out
Y Features - citations check out
Y History - citations check out
Y Development - citations check out
Y Rental house - citations check out
Y Cooperative conversion - citations check out
Y Residents - citations check out
Y Impact - citations check out
Many were spot checked by me.

Chart[edit]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Yes
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Yes
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Yes
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Yes
	2c. it contains no original research.	Yes
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Yes
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Yes
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Yes
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Yes
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Yes
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Yes
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Yes
	7. Overall assessment.	Another good one!

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