Talk:The Head and the Heart

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the The Head and the Heart article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

Alternative music

	Rock music portal This article is part of WikiProject Alternative music, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project's talk page.Alternative musicWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative musicTemplate:WikiProject Alternative musicAlternative music articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

United States: Washington / Seattle Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Washington (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Washington - Seattle (assessed as Low-importance).

Pop music

	Pop music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

It is requested that an image or photograph be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

Recent Additions[edit]

A new user called browneheather (talk · contribs) has recently added a great deal of content of unknown origin. It appears to be copy/pasted from a request for creation attempt where it appeared very quickly (not much construction which suggests it was copy/pasted from somewhere else). The first thing I noticed is that the photo added is a copyright violation from an article published by fuelfriendsblog.com in an article written by Heather Browne. While this isn't a standard conflict of interest, between the fact that the editor is new, is a reporter who has covered the band extensively, and is adding copyrighted material to the article, I have reverted the edits. It looks like there some good content with plenty of refs but until I (or anyone else) have time to check it, I think it's better left in the history of the article. I'm heading out right now but I'll be attempting to add as much of the content that I can that doesn't pose any problems for Wikipedia (i.e. COI or copyvios). OlYeller^Talktome 19:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The content was copy-pasted from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Head and The Heart, hence why it came in such a large chunk. You and browneheather somehow created an article on the same subject at almost the exact same time. Upon noticing that an article on this band already existed, I directed her to merge the two, which she did. When you said that there was copyvio regarding the text, I checked by Googling sentences and by using the Duplication Detector between her revision and the sources she used. From what I saw, there doesn't seem to be copyright violation in the text. The user confirms that all of the material is her own work. I will soon go through it to carefully check, but I think the new information is good. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 20:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I never said there was a copyvio with the text but within the additions (see: the photo). As far as the photo goes, I'm sure it's Heather Browne's (I didn't want to assume that they're the same person or be accused of outing). Also, the place where it was published notes that all works still belong to their creators (who we now know to be the user who submitted it). I'm sure your checks of the text are more than sufficient. I was weary of how I'd find much information to add because there doesn't seem to be much on their websites but having Heather Browne will be a great asset. Thanks to both of you. Really leaving this time. Girlfriend is going to kill me. OlYeller^Talktome 20:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added back all of the information after checking the sources, and will continue to improve it. I've removed the photograph until that whole deal is sorted out -- I was unaware that it was duplicated on another website. I'll speak with her about releasing copyright, etc. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 20:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you for all the attention here to getting this right. This is my first wiki, and GorillaWarfare is correct that I wrote it all last night in userspace, and then cut and pasted it this morning after you created the official page. I also uploaded a new picture just now that has not appeared elsewhere. I hope it all looks okay now! Browneheather (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Revision[edit]

This page was revised with a shorter synopsis at the top, the history divided into sections and duplications removed that was the consequence of merging the two articles as outlined above. One paragraph was moved to the album description and a separate 'Television' heading was created. Karst (talk) 11:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Josiah Johnson[edit]

Isn't it about time that the bio be updated to reflect Josiah Johnson is no longer a member of the band? I recall reading an interview a year or two ago saying that the band made the hard decision to let him go, and as he's recently signed a solo deal with Anti Records, he's being referred to in its press releases as "former member." Source. 67.143.0.181 (talk) 16:27, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]