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Requested move 16 February 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to The South Australian, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Australian → The South Australian – Revert to original page name from which a redirect was made in 2016 (the newspaper changed it's name, so the latest one should have greatest weight (as per WP:NAMECHANGES)). Good examples of this are The Chronicle (South Australia), The Observer (Adelaide), Sunday Mail (Adelaide), and The Advertiser (Adelaide) all of which consistently use the final (rather than the first) name of the newspaper. JabberJaw (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mildly agree, and changing Southern Australian to The Southern Australian has been on my "to do" list for years. Every banner had the definite article. Doug butler (talk) 06:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support – current title is ambiguous and could refer to a geographical location. CookieMonster755 ✉ 17:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
History at target is significant. Dekimasuよ! 19:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support The Southern Australian. The name of the newspaper for ~~the overwhelming bulk~~ much of its existence. Proper name beats WP:THE. The current is ambiguous with the geographical region. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC). https://www.hordern.com/pages/books/4110674/southern-australian/complete-collection-of-early-adelaide-newspaper-the-southern-australian-for-1839[reply]

Disagree with "overwhelming bulk of its existence". The newspaper ran from 1838 to 1851. A simple comparison of dates shows that the first name (1838-1844 - issues 1-570) seems a shorter time than the updated (1844-1851 - issues 571-1268). Further, the link provided is only for issues published in 1839, and not the entire 13-year run of the publication. A better link might be: this one (but as with most sites, both are dealt with separately). JabberJaw (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I misread the dates. The link shows one masthead that shows “The” was part of the name. Albeit in a smaller font. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:38, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support the proposed. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Arguments re ambiguity for geography and place-names can be made each way for both titles (Southern Australian / South Australian). But Australia's "national paper" The Australian exists despite the potential for confusion because that is the name in use, which is also part of the focus here. I also have no issue with using the definite article (the), in fact I understand I support it, as shown in my rationale. JabberJaw (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.