Talk:The Trial (song)

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ABITW!?![edit]

The Judge's leimotif blah blah blah sounds alot more like Waiting For The Worms' bleak guitar solo, not ABITW's tune...am I just incapable of seeing the similarity between DUN DUN DUN DUN and DER NER NER NER NENER NENER?--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 19:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? Why won't you answer me?--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 18:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is obviously Waiting for the Worms' guitar motif. My source? My ears. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.143.187 (talk) 23:44, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They're the same melody, in different keys. Daniel Case (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Possible English Restoration antecedent for judge's line?[edit]

I have been of late reading Charles Spencer's Killers of the King, about the regicides of Charles I and their fates. The first of them to be tried, Thomas Harrison, denied the defenses he most preferred, that he had acted under Parliamentary authority and that he was following what he believed to be God's will, basically reduced himself to admitting every action was accused of (attending the trial, supervising Charles's imprisonment and (the worst) signing the death warrant) just denying that it was a crime.

When this was over, the judge turned to the jury and said (among other things):

He hath been so far from denying, that he hath justified these actions, the evidence is so clear and pregnant, as nothing more. I think you need not go out.

You can almost hear the leitmotif starting under these words. My wife caught this too, and I suspect Lord Spencer (old enough to have been in his teens when the album came out) was too ... later on he actually uses the phrase "there was no need for the jury to retire" in describing the conclusion of Francis Hacker's trial.

Of course, both men were almost immediately sentenced to be "exposed before [their] peers", not just psychologically speaking but physically; they were executed slowly and graphically, as was the prescibed punishment for traitors and regicides of that time.

So I wonder ... even given the tangled composition history of this song, this sounds like something Roger Waters might have been aware of and done deliberately. Has he ever said anything about this? Ever been asked, even? Daniel Case (talk) 03:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Accents[edit]

The Judge clearly speaks in a very posh Received Pronunciation, definitely not Cockney. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you have no knowledge of English accents. Though the term 'Cockney' is specific to those born within earshot of the Bow Bells, Waters is clearly donning a lower class Southern accent. It's pretty obvious that it's supposed to sound like something out of a Dickens musical. It most certainly is NOT received pronunciation, which itself is not 'posh' as you put it. Clearly, your knowledge of social class in England is as poor as your knowledge of England's regional accents. 78.148.27.44 (talk) 14:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]