Talk:The Two Doctors

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Oscar's Death[edit]

An unsigned comment left on the WP:DW sandbox complains that a change to the manner of Oscar's death in this article was repeatedly reverted. The author (who I presume was Blakesseven but don't know for sure) mentioned that they had seen the episode and that they were upset that their edits were being reverted.

In case this comes up as an issue again, and to preserve the comment given that it is ephemeral in the sandbox, there is copious evidence to support the fact that he was, indeed, stabbed by Shockeye, and not killed by stomach acid as the editor claims. The version currently in the article should remain, unless solid evidence to the contrary can be presented, in which case we need to resolve the conflict.

Evidence that supports the stabbing death include: the Target novelisation of the story (weak evidence, as Target novelisations do not always follow the televised plot exactly, but in the absence of other evidence to the contrary, this is evidence); the "Doctor Who: The Legend - 5 Decades of Time Travel" and "Doctor Who: The Legend Continues - 5 Decades of Time Travel" commemorative books written/compiled by Justin Richards; the Doctor Who Reference Guide [1], an authoritative source with synopses of every episode; various news reports in the TV Week and British newspapers from the time complaining about the 'meaningless' death of Oscar and the appropriateness of a stabbing death like this on children's television (I will go to the effort of scanning and correctly citing these articles if it becomes absolutely necessary). A search for the stomach acid death has reduced zero authoritative sources for me.

Should the issue come up again, then we should definitely discuss it and compare sources. I would hope however that it would be discussed on this talk page, where it is in context, rather than through a revert war. CastorQuinn (talk) 11:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there's an alternate take, the DVD and VHS versions I have both feature Shockeye stabbing Oscar -- plus all the text material that you mentioned. DonQuixote (talk) 16:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Continuity[edit]

There's been this addition to the Continuity section, which I've removed:

When the 6th Doctor suggests that as his 2nd generation was dead yet he was alive, the universe would then collapse in on itself and cease to exist. A similar plot device is used in the revival series episode Father's Day, when Rose Tyler saved her father's life when he should have died, thus causing temporal beings to appear and start consuming the world.

I've removed it for a few reasons. The main reason is that the Doctor explicitly states in Father's Day that the reapers showed up only because the Time Lords were no longer around to repair the paradox themselves; given that the Time Lords were still around at the time of The Two Doctors, the reapers weren't a possibility.

Also, it was very clearly established in the Trial of a Timelord that the death of a previous incarnation of the Doctor does not automatically mean the death of all subsequent versions. Admittedly the Valeyard is an atypical example, but I think it's safe to assume the Time Lords wouldn't have allowed the deal to be made if the end result was the destruction of the universe.

I'm happy to discuss the validity of this point, and I may well be mistaken, but for now I'll remove it from the article. CastorQuinn (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chimera or Camera?[edit]

So is the space station that this story is partially set on called Chimera or Camera? There are multiple sources saying both, with the BBC seemingly favouring Camera [2] but most others going for Chimera [3] [4], including this page. Is it worth mentioning this in the article somewhere? Alzarian16 (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign Locations[edit]

'Discounting the 1996 TV movie which was produced entirely in Canada, and the 2007 episode "Daleks in Manhattan" which included some second unit footage shot in New York City, a regular series episode wouldn't be substantially filmed outside the UK until "The Fires of Pompeii" which was broadcast in 2008.'

Am I missing something? What about City of Death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.250.238 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That was produced before this one (so was Planet of Fire). DonQuixote (talk) 21:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eating habits[edit]

I don't think that this should be included. None of it is sourced, and is mostly a collection of observations of what happens in other stories. It doesn't seem to be in any way related to the serial The Two Doctors. It is well known that the Doctor's personality changes with each regeneration, so why not his dietary philosophy too? --Redrose64 (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sontaran familiarity[edit]

In the "Continuity"-section it is said that:

In The Time Warrior, the first appearance of the Sontarans in the series, the Third Doctor refers to a familiarity with the race, which would fit in with his second incarnation's encounter with them in this story.

However this cannot fit in with this story, as the Second Doctor (and Jamie) would forget about the encounter with the Sixth Doctor and Peri because the timelines are out of sync. So there cannot be a connection. --2.110.26.22 (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Three or six episodes?[edit]

It has recently been re-broadcast in six episodes on horror channel. Not sure when they split it up. --Tobias b köhler (talk) 23:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's three 50 minute episodes. DonQuixote (talk) 02:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Continuity regarding the 2nd Doctor[edit]

The 2nd Doctor states that he is on a mission for the Time Lords, which seems to contradict The War Games where it is clear that the Doctor has been on the run from the Time Lords. 210.10.231.163 (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please review WP:NOR. DonQuixote (talk) 23:06, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with DQ. Additionally please see WP:SYNTH. The info is also WP:INUNIVERSE and that is something to be avoided at this encyclopedia. Remember that this is a TV show and not reality (darn it) and continuity errors of this sort occur all the time. Feel free to post it on your facebook page tho. MarnetteD|Talk 23:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it's a Robert Holmes story: Holmes cared nothing for continuity between different stories - even between stories that he wrote himself. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]