Talk:The Walking Dead season 6

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2015

82.18.145.120 (talk) 08:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Glen dead?

Why is Glen 'seemingly devoured by walkers'? Is this statement qualified by 'seemingly' on the basis of the actor's not appearing on Talking Dead In Memoriam, and being spotted on the set filming future episodes? Or because of fan rumours and theories floating around on the internet? Most of us saw Glen being taken down by Nicholas; falling separately; not looking entirely covered up by Nicholas' corpse; and in an entirely hopeless situation with guts being pulled out from where his body appears to be. Granted, the camera work and editing making this scene somewhat ambiguous. However, it is a stretch, even with dramatic license, to imagine him surviving the situation. Perhaps a footnote is in order to explain the qualifier. For the more straightforward viewer not bent on creating implausible theories, he is for all purposes dead. 121.119.43.250 (talk) 06:58, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Theorizing would be saying he's dead for sure because there's seemingly no way out of this situation. You are trying to force a point of view here which is not confirmed. Scott Gimple said the fate of Glenn will be revealed and not left ambiguous. You can celebrate his death after the revelation, not now. --Explosivo (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Episode 3 - Arson failure.

There's a mistake in the Episode 3 synopsis. It states that Glenn and Nicholas are unable to torch the building because of the arrival of the horde of walkers. In fact, the highly-flammable building they planned to torch is found to have already burned down. 106.68.21.52 (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Not quite right. Yes, they discover that the building they were originally planning to set fire to has already burned down, but they were in the process of trying to choose another building to burn when the horde arrived. So the synopsis is actually correct. It just leaves out the bit about the first building. 99.192.76.251 (talk) 00:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2015

Add episode 8's Name 81.96.60.225 (talk) 22:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

6 - "Always Accountable" summary

The summary currently reads, "They take him to a nearby fuel dump where they are hoping to rendezvous with more of the group, but are dismayed when they find the area overrun with walkers." In fact, the only reference to meeting anyone is when the man says "we pick up Patty" and then when they arrive at the area the man and woman say: "Patty." "She could be...." "No. She's gone." At the end of the episode the fuel truck Daryl finds has a license plate that reads "PATTY002". So it would seem the people were not hoping to rendezvous with other people, but looking for a truck and dismayed because they saw that the truck was not where they thought it would be. It might not have even been the same truck that Daryl found, since a license plate with 002 on it suggests there was also one with 001 and maybe more. 99.192.76.251 (talk) 00:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Future episodes

I know I removed what I assumed was unsourced episodes. Can someone with more experience on this article add notes? I am certain I am not the only one who thought it was unsourced. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 00:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

ep11, Knots Untie, request inclusion of B-plot in episode summary

Could something like "Throughout, Abraham considers his feelings for Rosita and Sasha and asks others about starting a family in an uncertain world." be added to the summary for ep11, Knots Untie? This has been repeatedly edited out on the justification of (a) excessive length, or (b) unimportant details. For length, this addition would keep the summary within the 50-100 word recommendation and in fitting with the average word length of other summaries in the article. I feel it is important enough to be included in a summary of this size as it is the B-plot and highly identified with the episode. Virtually every scene which is not about "trading with the Hilltop" directly relates to this B-plot: the teaser, where Abraham has a flashback about Sasha after having sex with Rosita; the Bisquick conversation in the RV; the rescue of Jesus' people where Abraham nearly kills Freddie, who says he saw his dead wife's face; Abraham asking Daryl about settling down; Abraham becoming still while strangled by Andy (the subtext being that, like Freddie, he saw the face of the woman he loves) and (coming to a decision, symbolically) leaves Rosita's medallion on the ground; and Maggie's ultrasound which is shared around the RV and confirms in a look between Abraham and Glenn that he now understands and shares Glenn's point of view. If you add that up, it's 9 minutes or 20% of the episode — hardly insignificant. As for importance, while the A-plot is an almost robotic reaction to events it is this B-plot which shows the humanity of the characters and gives hope and optimism to an otherwise violent and foreboding episode. I apologize if what I wrote sounds trivial, if someone could help improve a one-sentence summary of this B-plot it would be greatly appreciated. Reidgreg (talk) 16:47, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

How about this phrasing: "Throughout, Abraham asks others about starting a family in an uncertain world, and faced with death realizes what's important in his life."Reidgreg (talk) 18:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@LosterFrowden: I've asked twice that you please discuss this matter. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing. — Reidgreg (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2016

I would like to request that the original release should be changed from October 11, 2015 - April 3, 2016 to October 11, 2015 - present. My reasoning for this is that while the season finale will air soon, it hasn't aired yet and therefore the season isn't over yet. Changing the original release now seems a bit premature, as it implies that the season has finished when it hasn't. I believe that we should wait until the season has finished and then we can put that it's concluded, but until then it should be changed back to present. 90.198.32.253 (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:44, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

"Negan beats one of the group members to death."

No, he didn't. If this season has taught us one thing, it is not to be so quick to conclude what we think might be clear. Millions of people thought they saw Glenn's guts being ripped out only to find out he crawled under the dumpster. In "Last Day On Earth" there is even less evidence that someone died than there was then. Negan SAYS he is going to kill someone and he swings his bat twice at someone (or something) causing blood splatter on the camera, but we don't know who (or what) he hit. Was it one of the group? Maybe. Did the person he hit die? Maybe. Or maybe he just winged someone by hitting them in the shoulder. Or maybe he was warming up on a passing squirrel. We didn't see so we don't know. The previous episode ended with Daryl being shot and blood splatter on the camera, but he didn't die then. Maybe when the show returns in the fall we find out he merely maimed someone. The point is, we don't see who or what he hit and don't know that who or what he hit is dead, so the summary should not say that someone did die. We will (probably) find out in October who, if anyone died. But it is too soon to call it now. 99.192.50.88 (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I completely agree. It's too soon to call. And even if in season seven we learn that someone does die as a result of a beating inflicted by Negan, I don't feel it ought to be included in season six because we couldn't say with certainty that such a hypothetical death occurred within the season six timeframe.Reidgreg (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

It was confirmed by the showrunner in the Talking Dead episode that one of the group members did, in fact, die. They simply did not reveal the identity of the group member. Mizike (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Someone definitely died there. Several interviews and sources (including this and this) said that someone is dead. And there was no possible way in any shape or form that anyone would've survived Lucille. Maybe we should cite stuff that says that someone died just in case? Jal11497 (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree with OP. In the episode Negan uses the words someone is going to have to "pay the price" which is ambiguous. In the talking dead interview the producer only says "the person at the receiving end of the bat" or something to that effect. The words kill, die, murder etc. haven't been used once except for people from outside the show who are convinced someone died. Also, as in the whole Glenn incident - a suspicious camera angle was used. The article should be reworked to leave out assumptions. Kap 7 (talk) 15:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

This source reports on Gimple confirming that one of the group died. I cannot find a full Talking Dead transcript, but he was explicit that one of Rick's group is dead now. Mizike (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

It's my opinion that the person reporting at hollywoodreporter somehow misinterpreted the conversation on the show because I didn't catch any dialogue stating someone was dead when I watched the show. The direct quotes hollywoodreporter uses doesn't back that up either. I'll agree it sure looks like someone is dead ... but then again, in the very same episode I thought Daryl was dead. Kap 7 (talk) 18:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll see if I can't either find a transcript or perhaps find a way to rewatch the episode because I seem to recall that Gimple explicitly said that someone from the group had died -- that it wasn't just some kind of trick. Mizike (talk) 19:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I wish I knew I'd be having this conversation today because last night I seen there was a re-run of both the the episode and the talking dead! Maybe try youtube or something? I dunno. Kap 7 (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I made an edit to the page, I think it is acceptable especially considering the sentence that follows. Let me know what you think or feel free to revert if you (or anyone else) think I'm outta line for making the change. Kap 7 (talk) 19:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to add a comment and some filter keeps disallowing it. So I will say it in different wording in the hope the filter will not kick it out again. The gist of my comment is that we should describe the scene as literally as possible. Negan says he will cause the intentional termination of someone (The filter would not let me say the "K" word ... that ends "ILL"), he selects a person, and then hits that person twice with his bat. The end. If that results in a death or not is not shown on screen, so we can omit it from the summary. 99.192.69.109 (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I actually really like that phrasing, regardless of what Gimple said. Good call. Mizike (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it should change anything, but I was just able to rewatch the Talking Dead episode and it was Chris Hardwick who said someone died rather than Scott Gimple. So that's even more reason to keep the current ambiguity. Mizike (talk) 18:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I still stand by my original statement that the episode does not clearly show that someone is beaten to death. If the first scene of the first episode of season seven shows the person who was attacked is still alive, but not yet dead, then the death occurs in season even, not season six. But how sad is it that we need to check what the show runner said in interviews to know what happened in the episode. If he were better at making shows he would not need to tell us what happened despite them not showing that it happened. 99.192.69.109 (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you... I think my edit to the page reflects that. I think the article needs to leave it unclear as the episode did Kap 7 (talk) 19:38, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

See my comment just above. Saying he appears to K someone is still not right. It did not appear that way to me. It appeared to me that he hit someone twice and that person might still be alive until the premiere of season seven. 99.192.69.109 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, I figured "appears" was a good compromise for the time being until there is a consensus. Kap 7 (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Even though I think it is clear that someone died, given the interviews I've read with Gimple, I think that the episode plot summaries should just cover events that occur during that 60-90 minutes of television and not speculate or make judgments based on outside sources. It's a slippery slope and while it seems obvious that a character died, saying this could lead summaries to incorporate all manner of speculation picked up on tv websites and blogs.

I also remember reading articles that emphasized that there were 11 Alexandrian members at this event. Removing the names of characters who we expect to survive is not warranted. It is unlikely that Rick or Carl would be killed at this point in the series but that is viewer speculation and a summary should mention the names of all characters who are potential victims, not just the ones we think are likely to be killed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:05, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Earlier today I made a small edit to the plot summary on the page for the episode. There it now concludes like this: "When he arbitrarily chooses his victim, Negan orders his men to cut out Carl's remaining eye and feed it to Rick should anyone try to SSSS him and then he proceeds to bludgeon his victim. The identity of the victim is not revealed as the attack is shown from the point of view of the character. This leaves Glenn, Daryl, Michonne, Maggie, Rosita, Aaron, Sasha, Abraham and Eugene's fates unknown." Since summaries here should be shorter and in light of your comment above, it could be shortened to this: "Negan arbitrarily chooses and then proceeds to bludgeon his victim. The identity of the victim is not revealed as the attack is shown from the point of view of the character." The second sentence could be left out, but both are ok with me. (NOTE: Wikipedia filters are not allowing part of my comment, so I repolaced the word "STOP" with "SSSS" above.) 99.192.69.179 (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Just a side note to 99.192.69.179. As far as I know wikipedia doesn't have any word filters. I think the problem is on your end. Also, consider creating an account because your ip number keeps changing it's confusing if the ip's in this conversation are the same person or not. Kap 7 (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The problem is not on my end. When I pressed the "Save page" button I repeatedly got the message: "An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, and it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error." It was only when I took out the word STOP that my edit was allowed. (it is probably the phrase TRY TO and STOP that is triggering the filter). As for the IP address, mine changes a lot but the first two numbers are always "99.192". 99.192.51.116 (talk) 19:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I had a chance to review the end of the episode, Talking Dead, and the articles referenced, and I feel as though there's some cherry-picking of information that supports a death in the episode while ignoring conflicting evidence from the same sources. For example, in the second Hollywood Reporter article referenced, 880610, the author writes, "Nicotero said the death scene hasn't been filmed yet" and Andrew Lincoln is quoted saying "one of us is going to get it." So no death scene = no death (yet), and the lead actor confirms that it's yet to happen. The third Hollywood Reporter article, 880330, is simply a summary of the Talking Dead episode, where the author writes, "[Gimple] confirmed that Negan did indeed beat one of the 11 survivors to death." But Gimple says nothing of the sort in that episode, and we should all suspect such claims as those involved on the production never say anything so definitively due to non-disclosure agreements. (All of these Hollywood Reporter articles are by the same writer, so it's a single opinion and I'm beginning to doubt their credibility. In one article she says 10 people are at risk and then in the next paragraph gives a list of 11 names.) The most Gimple says in that Talking Dead is that the final shot POV "was a character" (ie: the POV isn't a trick). As you hear a variety of high-pitched ringing sounds following the bat's impact, the POV is what the character sees and hears. So what does that mean when we get to what one might presume is the eighth impact of the bat? Only the first two swings of the bat are shown and appear to connect; the other six impact-sounds could be anything. What we do know is that by the fact that we're hearing them means that the character is hearing them, which means the character is conscious and alive. Reidgreg (talk) 18:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Artwork

The promotional artwork that was used as the DVD cover (here).--90.198.205.168 (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)