Talk:Three Hearts and Three Lions

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Removed need-infobox flag Yendor1958 06:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Tolkien[edit]

Because of its date and Gary Gygax citing it as an influence on Dungeons and Dragons, this novel is viewed as an alternative to Lord of the Rings as a source for the modern fantasy genre. However, it seems to show a lot of influence from the Hobbit (and perhaps LOTR, depending on how much was added in the revision). Besides references to Mirkwood and wargs, it has "Middle World", anachronistic tobacco, a riddle contest, a monster turning into stone when the sun rises, references to werebears, and a character called "Frodoart".--Jack Upland (talk) 01:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but it was published before Tolkien had caught on in the United States (the novella version before the Lord of the Rings was published anywhere), and it relied much more on Christian chivalrous romances (Orlando Furioso and its predecessors) than Tolkien did. If there was any direct contemporary comparison, it would be to The Castle of Iron more than the Hobbit... AnonMoos (talk) 06:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Anderson had obviously read widely when he wrote this, and I don't believe he didn't read The Hobbit. Mirkwood and wargs - really??? I would like to know what changed from the novella - in particular, if the character of "Frodoart" appeared. I'm not saying Tolkien was Anderson's main inspiration, but he was certainly one of the sources.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a few days ago that the character Frodoart was included in the novella version as reprinted in an anthology, but it still seems to me that the Tolkien influence is only moderate... AnonMoos (talk) 11:48, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so that means that the similarity between "Frodo" and "Frodoart" is a coincidence.--Jack Upland (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked at the story as printed in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, it seems to me that the episode of Frodoart and the warg was not included originally. Which makes sense.Jack Upland (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I know realise that Mirkwood and wargs were not invented by Tolkien.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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