Talk:Throne (angel)

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Removal[edit]

Someone recently clipped out the text below with no explanation. Is the information completely fabricated, or is it just not put into any kind of context. I'm not in favor of sensoring it just because you don't like/believe it. Could someone provide more context for it?

Magically, call on the Thrones when you need assistance in smoothing relations with groups of people or between two individuals. For any issue involving a need for stability, or planets or planetary energies, call on the Thrones. To reach them, burn a white candle for Divinity and a green candle for the Thrones.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Heptazane (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for one, you're not able to summon angels in the religion(s) in which the idea is included - they are servants of Elohim/God/Allah, not men.KrytenKoro 00:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merging[edit]

The article on Thrones has zero specific references to any of its information. If anything it should be merged into the Ophan article. Heptazane 15:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Against Merge - the Kabbalistic angelic hierarchy lists these two choirs as separate. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 21:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Against Merge - there is no evidence, as far as i am aware or otherwise supported in the article, to make the correlation that the Ophanim, as seen in the Old Testament along with the Cherubim and Seraphim, could be the same host of Spiritual Beings mentioned by Paul of Tarsus, in the New Testament, as Thrones (i.e. Colossians 1:16). Also in the article Thrones, although it does not mention the source, it states "They do however, come in the second Choir, and are assigned to planets.", [my bold] not in the first choir (where the Ophanim are included due to the vision association with the other two superior Orders, the Cherubim and Seraphim). Such popular idea of mixing both Orders - Ophanim and Thrones - may have arised from the distribution of the Nine Orders of Angels presented in the De Coelesti Hierarchia, where the Thrones are ranked below the Cherubim (and the Ophanim omitted): however, a different view may be found at the following talk page: Talk:Christian angelic hierarchy#Hierarchies and Zodiacal signs. Hope it helps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.58.99.122 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 27 July 2007.

reedited the article to try clarify and show the distinctions of both Orders; also removed the merge tag.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishimfirestarter (talk • contribs) 15:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misplacement?[edit]

I am confused about why demons (e.g. Astaroth, Focalor, Phenex, etc...) are listed on this page. Solace098 21:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shin Megami Tensei[edit]

The comment on the bottom about thrones appearing in persona 3 should be combined with the comment about Shin Megami Tensei.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.159.235.144 (talk) 08:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why latin instead of greek?[edit]

The Thrones (lat. thronus, pl. throni) --> (Gr. Thronos) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.85.47 (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More unsourced crap has found its way in[edit]

Under the heading "About the Thrones", it reads "Thrones are angels of the Third Order (first sphere) and are beings of tremendous power and movement. They are the keepers of higher, more expanded energies. They ensure that these energies maintain connections and flow through the realms. They act as the conduits of the physical worlds and tend to be more stationary in their existence." That is so far removed from reality that it might as well be extolling the virtues of curing cancer by wearing peanut butter, written in Linear B. It goes without saying that no sources for these remarkable claims are provided. Unless anyone can provide compelling evidence within a week or so as to why it should be left in, I'm going to prune it out. Bricology (talk) 07:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Bricology (talk) 06:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 June 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Move to Throne (angel). (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 08:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thrones → Thrones (angels) – the clear primary topic for "thrones" is the plural of throne, to which this title should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)}[reply]

Disambiguate per WP:ASTONISH while I'm convinced that the angels meaning isn't primary, it still gets a bit more views (4,072) than the seat (3,244) in addition Game of Thrones gets many more (261,949)[[1]] and other than the WP results is the only thing that comes up on Google, however its unlikely someone on WP would use that term for the series. Either redirect to Throne (disambiguation) or create a plural DAB page. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. The 12-sentence Thrones stub certainly does not delineate the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this very common word. Articles about Game of Thrones, for example, mention the full title and then refer to it as simply "Thrones". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate per WP:ASTONISH, per User:Crouch, Swale. I'd say there's no primary topic for the title. When in doubt, disambiguate. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support; Throne has been determined to have a primary topic, and the clear primary topic of the plural of that common noun is that common noun. BD2412 T 22:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support well spotted. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Throne (angel). The proposed target does not meet the criteria for WP:PLURAL. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Throne (angel) per King of Hearts, but otherwise certainly redirect Thrones to Throne per the nom and long-term significance. — Amakuru (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Throne (angel). And redirect Thrones to Throne. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comments on the broader issues welcome at User talk:Andrewa/P T examples and scenarios#Plurals. TIA Andrewa (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.