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Thy Art IS Murder is one of the bands that are getting bigger and better with time. Things that we don't see everyday are bands that get better with the new albuns, and they are totally on it.

This is not a forum. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Not death metal

Okay, first of all, it's pretty clear that this band is just deathcore. But that goes against my say since this is just Wikipedia after all which relies on sources. But even so, keeping two genres like "deathcore" and then "death metal" in genre field goes against this which says aim for generality. Deathcore is a genre of death metal, so having two things that say "deathcore" and then "death metal" (which this band doesn't even play) is totally redundant. I mean Blabbermouth were pretty much just calling them "death metal" only to generalize the band from their own viewpoint anyway probably without having to go into detail that "this band is deathcore". "Death metal" is much broader term, which is probably the reason why they even used it on their webpage. Second Skin (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the band, so don't have a horse in this race, but it appears clear that there are some dissenting voices out there. Whilst sources can be found that pass WP:RS, i.e. not webzines (unless their content is printed elsewhere by an independent, third-party publisher), it seems sensible to acknowledge the contention by including both terms. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Then probably a safe bet just to call them deathcore. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, that's like having some band listed as "Metalcore" and then "melodic metalcore". I mean aren't we supposed to make Wikipedia accurate? I can go around searching for more places calling them deathcore if that will surface. Second Skin (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
No, I'm afraid I don't agree with you. There is considerable opposition to the suggestion that deathcore is a subgenre of death metal (long-standing consensus over at the death metal article is that it is a fusion genre). There is apparently a dispute in opinion about whether this band plays one or the other (or indeed may have played both at different times in their career or indeed on different songs). In aiming for generality the only obvious conclusion is to include both terms if they are being used by professional journalists. Wikipedia is not quite aiming for "accuracy" as you put it (as that is a loaded term; you clearly think one thing, others another), but verifiabiliity. There are sources referrring to them as both, so both should stay. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

That's not the point. The point is that they're not a death metal band. This is just ridiculous. I'm sure if someone called Carcass a deathcore band despite it being sourced you'd do everything in your power to stop that. That's exactly how this is. Do you need more sources? Woman on television herself in Australia says that they're "a deathcore band" in this news report. Here's some more [1] [2] [3]

No, I'm sorry, at this point you are just wrong and POV-pushing. If a significant number of sources from journalistic articles described Carcass as a deathcore band then, yes, absolutely it should be included. If there is notable controversy about a band's genre, then the sources detailing that need to go in a style section (I'm sure Metallica or someone has one!), but otherwise it should merely be noted that they have been described as more than one genre by journalists. Do I think Carcass are deathcore? No. Would I fight against a whole bunch of reliable sources claiming otherwise? Not a chance, but it contravenes WP's core principles and would lead, eventually, to a ban. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
And I've said before, there is nothing wrong with bands being thought of as more than one genre by diffrent sources; try pinning Celtic Frost down. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 00:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Reference named "Cosmo Lee":

  • From Metalcore: Lee, Cosmo. "Doom". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved 25 March 2011.
  • From List of deathcore artists: Lee, Cosmo. "Doom". AllMusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved 25 March 2011.

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