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This article is just very wrong. It has no citations and yet it's just wrong.

1) Saying tian is French instead of Provncal is like saying grits is American not Southern American.

2) The food is more important than the cookware (more on this) yet cookware comes first.

3) It says it uses winter vegetables. But the traditional tian is zucchini, potatoes and tomatoes. Since when is the green summer squash known as zucchini or a tomato ever before been called "winter" vegetables.

4) I would go on, but there's more than enough here to demonstrate already this article is just all wrong.

Instead of complaining about some possible (though unlikely) inaccuracies, make a contribution and do some editing. That's what Wikipedia is about. I don't see your suggested changes in the article. In fact, I don't see you creating any articles about the dish itself either. And, of course you didn't sign this. How classy. IrisLaRue (talk) 19:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Rewrite[edit]

The previous article was completely unreferenced and made many claims that I was unable to substantiate. Since the article was so short (three bare paragraphs), I rewrote it and cited sources. It could probably use additional clean-up and citation. At least now it mentions Provence. Richigi (talk) 00:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 October 2020[edit]

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Moved to Tian (dish). BD2412 T 02:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

French tian → Tian (cuisine) – This dish is usually called "Tian". The names fr:Tian provençal and en:French tian are both misleading, and the English is simply wrong because French cuisine and Provençal cuisine are not the same thing. The mistake was pointed out in that rather bad-tempered exchange of 2008, above. Perhaps no one who has commented could decide what to do about it, because Tian is also a Chinese word and, at a guess, the Chinese word is a little bit better known than the Provençal one. At a second guess, all of the 80-odd occurrences of "French tian" found by Google (a very small number) are either directly based on this page, or at least written by people who take Wikipedia pagenames too seriously.

OK then: this is about a cooking utensil as well as a kind of cooked dish, so I propose a move to Tian (cuisine). A second possibility is Tian (Provençal cuisine), but I think shorter is better. Andrew Dalby 18:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See the comment by No Such User below. I would now prefer Tian (dish), and I don't think others who have commented would disagree. Andrew Dalby 15:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom blindlynx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to suggest Tian (dish) instead. Yes, it's a wikt:dish#Noun in both senses #1 and #2, and in our case it's a desirable duality. No such user (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, even shorter is even better. Wish I'd thought of it. I agree. Andrew Dalby 15:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don’t know what I’m doing but I was annoyed enough at the entry to say something, the folks above made the salient points.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:185:c100:1180:459d:49de:19da:6435 (talk • contribs)

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Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:French tian which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 02:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's all the same now: the move had just been completed when the bot left its message. This is the best place to discuss the article and its name. Andrew Dalby 15:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]