Talk:Timeline of the Mexican drug war

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Are we adding too many entries?[edit]

How should this article be structured? As it stands, we are posting events on an almost daily basis (some days have multiple events). As you can imagine, the 2009 list may well exceed 500-600 entries by the time we reach the end of the year. I think that such a detailed list may become entirely unwieldy. I suggest that we should just list events in which cartel leaders are apprehended, extradited, or killed, or where major politicians are assassinated. We could also list key changes in government strategy or policy with regard to combating drug trafficking and organized crime. If we still find it necessary to have a running tally of all the folks being killed in the drug war (politicians, law enforcement personnel, sicarios, and civilians) we could do that as numbers listed at the end of each month (essentially a short summary of the month). What do you think? Not home (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. Reduce and limit the entries to the few most relevant. Research the relevant politics and policies behind the war. BatteryIncluded (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The trend of this list tends toward some kind of "daily Wikinews", and not an outline of the essencial war developments. BatteryIncluded (talk) 01:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Should this go in then [1]? --192.193.171.152 (talk) 16:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is useless to document (random) shootout reports without any criteria for it. I will edit this list so that it includes only the most relevant incidences, attacks policies, etc. This implies a few additions and large amount of deletions. --BatteryIncluded (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Timeline of the Mexican Drug War[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Timeline of the Mexican Drug War's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "fox":

  • From Mérida Initiative: La Jeunesse, William (April 02, 2009). "The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S." Fox News. Retrieved 2009-04-03. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • From Mexican Drug War: La Jeunesse, William (April 02, 2009). "The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S." Fox News. Retrieved 2009-04-03. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

== Non chronological event:

I am not yet authorized for editing, but I note that there is a lack of chronology in the 11 June and 10 June section of 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fritz.grobbelaar (talk • contribs) 10:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correction[edit]

Gregorio Barradas Miravete was killed on November 8, 2010, not Nov. 9th. B-Machine (talk) 01:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

La Linea declares war to the DEA[edit]

Just recently, the Juarez Cartel and their armed wing La Linea declared war to DEA. After the capture of 'El Diego,' former leader of La Linea, 'El Gato' took over, and now plans to carry out attacks against DEA and other U.S. agents.[1]

Anyhow, do you guys think this information should be included in the article? I think this threat is increasingly important for the U.S. government, thus deserving a section in this article. But, I don't know if we should consider it an 'official' threat yet. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk)

Forget it. Turns out La Linea pulled out and is now claiming 'El Chapo' is responsible for such claims. Complete hogwash. ComputerJA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

References

  1. ^ "La Linea deja nuevo narcomensaje para la DEA". Blog del Narco. Retrieved 24 August 2011.

Francisco Blake Mora[edit]

Should Francisco Blake Mora's death be included in the timeline? He was the interior minister of Mexico and top official in the country's drug policy.

Spanish article: [2] English article: [3] ComputerJA (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any new articles related to the cause possibly being an assassination? Does the public still speculate this fact? If either of these are yes, I'd propose to add that information to the timeline, with the speculation clearly stated. DENSSAPIENTIAE (talk) 01:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This news article mentions that the death of Blake Mora may be a "foul play" by the cartels. [4] Either way, Francisco Blake Mora was a big guy in Mexico's drug policy. I should've included him in the article a long time ago, but I forgot to do so. I'll give you the honors to add it to the timeline. Thanks. ComputerJA (talk) 02:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I added the entry just now. Is how I added this alright? DENSSAPIENTIAE (talk) 02:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verb tense normalization[edit]

Each entry seems to have been chosen at random which verb tense is used. I propose we use present tense for each. Does anyone object to this idea?DENSSAPIENTIAE (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If no one objects by the end of the day, I'll go ahead and change the remaining entries. DENSSAPIENTIAE (talk) 01:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the entries have been chosen at random. However, we've tried to kept the Timeline with only the most notorious news on the Mexican Drug War: the big massacres, important drug lords' deaths, military operations, high-profile killings (i.e. politicians killed), and the like. I understand that the Timeline is a messy, but with the ongoing conflict, it's difficult to stay on top of it. Anyways, feel free to change the wording and verb tenses. Thanks for consulting the talk page. ComputerJA (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll make it a goal of mine to keep on top of additions to make a normalized tone and verb tense. DENSSAPIENTIAE (talk) 02:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 02:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Politicians Aren't People?[edit]

I made the mistake of trying to add to this article a number of recent events, several of which were deleted because they described people who were killed that were politicians. There is nothing mentioning this "rule" anywhere and the high-handed and rude way it was done has convinced me the people following this article have some twisted agendas they are following. Litch (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The problem is that the Timeline will grow incredibly long if we keep on adding minor events and people on this timeline. For the list of politicians killed, please see List of politicians killed in the Mexican Drug War. Thank you. ComputerJA (talk) 19:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • You deleted the mention of half a dozen murders of politicians but did not add them to any other list. This suggests a political agenda rather than a concern with "compactness". If you want to move the information and note it that's one thing but simply deleting it and letting it disappear is something else altogether. Furthermore if the murder of a private individual is sufficient to be added to the timeline then the kidnapping and murder of an individual politician is certainly sufficient to be added to the timeline. Litch (talk) 19:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck are you talking about? I always make sure to write an edit summary when deleting information. [5] [6] Your claim that I deleted "half a dozen murders of politicians but did not add them to any other list" is misleading. The ones I deleted were already on the list; please go and check them to see what I'm talking about. ComputerJA (talk) 23:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I apologize, I was overly hasty and didn't look closely enough however where is Rafael Romero Carrasco? Even if you don't consider him a politician the murder of a state police commander is signficant and deserves mention. *August 13 - The state police commander of the Mexican state of Chihuahua is gunned down and killed in Ciudad Juárez. [1][2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litch (talk • contribs) 03:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. What's crazy is that the list of police chiefs killed (mainly in municipal and state levels) are well over one hundred. They usually get very little coverage and are forgotten as the days pass. As for Rafael Romero Carrasco, Mexican sources indicate that he was just another police chief of a branch within the Policía Ministerial in a municipality in Chihuahua. [7] What do you think? BTW, sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for using the talkpage to express your concerns. I deeply appreciate that. ComputerJA (talk) 03:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.ktsm.com/news/chihuahua-state-police-commander-killed-juarez
  2. ^ http://blogs.razzjango.com/KIller/slain-state-police-commander-chihuahua-state/

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Modify formatting?[edit]

Hi! I'm very interested in better understanding the developments constituting the ongoing drug war in Mexico and plan on spending this semester looking more into it. I'm planning on at least contributing an entry covering events that have taken place within the past year. I would like to write it more like a narrative however, and only focus on large developments. If you're curious about potential sources I might use, you can find a reference page on my user page. Once again, I'm only in the beginning stages of gathering information. Please let me know what you think! Cheers! Abrild72 (talk) 08:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Abrild72: Hi, thank you for your interest in the Mexican Drug War. I'm working heavily on this topic too, but there is so much to cover that it's really difficult to do everything at once. As of now, I'm working on articles about the Jalisco New Generation Cartel. I usually start with biographies (see here, here, here, and here, to name a few), and then I move on to events about the criminal group (see here and here, for example). Eventually, I will re-write the entire article about the criminal group once I have a holistic view of the events, biographies, and other topics related to it. When I'm writing, I keep a sandbox where I add people, relevant events, or topics that I learn and think deserve an article of their own. When you dig deep into a topic about a specific criminal group, you'll discover there's more to it than you previously thought.
If you're particularly interested in the timeline of the Mexican Drug War, you might want to take a look at this article: 2011–12 in the Mexican Drug War. Perhaps breaking down the Mexican Drug War for every year or two can help you go more granular and organize this page.
Personally, I would recommend focusing on a specific criminal group and/or suspected drug lord, and then work your way from there. You'll be able to connect the dots easier than writing about the Mexican Drug War in a very general sense. If you look at the bottom of my sandbox, you'll find Mexican Drug War topics that are more complex and general. I plan to get to them some day, but as of now, I think working my way up will give me a better understanding of the conflict. Please let me know if you have any questions. I'm writing a draft about the 2015 ambush in Ocotlán. Feel free to contribute there if you'd like! MX (✉ • ✎) 13:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MX: Thank you for your response! You're definitely right: there's an immense, almost overwhelming amount of information to cover on this topic. You seem to already be very invested in this project and I would hate to get in your way, so I've decided to instead focus on a different article, about the environmental conditions in Mexico. I'm excited to see the improvements you make! Perhaps one day I'll come back to this topic. Thank you for being so kind and helpful! Cheers and best of luck! Abrild72 (talk) 15:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Abrild72: I don't mind if you want to join me! No one here owns any article, so please feel free to contribute if you'd like. I was a new editor too back in the day, and a good friend of mine (I'm sure he's watching this page) took me under his wing. The rest is history.
Either way, I'm excited to read about the environmental conditions in Mexico! I'll be more than happy to help you translate any information, help you learn the ropes on Wikipedia, and answer any questions you might have. Just ping me like you did here and I'll be there. Have fun! Regards, MX (✉ • ✎) 19:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

End of the drug war[edit]

Despite its name, this has never been a war, any more than Lyndon Johnson waged a War on poverty, Richard Nixon waged a War on drugs, or Donald Trump is waging a War on women. In fact, Mexican Drug War was a series of police actions (often assisted by the military) against hundreds of criminal groups who just as often fought among themselves. President Felipe Calderon declared a "war on drugs" on December 10, 2006Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). Michael E Nolan (talk) 01:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is an armed conflict. Perhaps not a war in the traditional sense, but some cartels have declared war between each other. AMLO’s declaration of this “war” ending has no effect on anything. Armed Forces and police are still combating drug cartels and cartels are still fighting with each other in many regions. MX (✉ • ✎) 01:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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