Talk:Topcoder Open
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Event Notability and Content Written as Advertisement[edit]
@Wumbolo: Will you kindly clarify, please, how comes that similarly written articles about similar (but smaller in scope), programming competitions (Facebook Hacker Cup, Google Code Jam), also organized by commercial companies (Facebook and Google), do meet notability criteria, and are not considered as an advertisement, and for this article you believe it is a problem? Note that those two articles are written even without any references on the information sources at all! FYI, Wiki also contains articles about some of the most successful competitors in these tournaments (e.g. Gennady Korotkevich, Petr Mitrichev, pl:Tomasz Czajka).
Going a step beyond of mistic world of competitive programming and software development tournaments, say Show Jumping World Championships article: does not have any references, does not explain me what is the notability of the event, and what is it all about. I believe, the same applies to Wikipedia articles about most of reccuring sport events, beside the most popular football, baseball, etc.
Will you, please, add notability problems and advertisement content templates to those and other similar articles? Otherwise, please consider to remove them from the Topcoder Open one. Birdofpreyru (talk) 09:57, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Birdofpreyru: my concern is that this article lacks reliable sources and is too heavily based on WP:PRIMARY sources, e.g. the Topcoder website and press releases. If you want to quickly look for reliable news sources, I recommend WP:RSSE (a search engine, I've just created a shortcut to it). wumbolo ^^^ 11:34, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Wumbolo: My point is: yes, there is no information about Topcoder Open event from sources independent from the organizer; but the same applies to other popular programming tournaments, like Facebook Hacker Cup, and Google CodeJam. Even worser in their case: in this article I put references to the event websites, from where I collected the infromation; while in articles about other events, that I mentioned above, there is no references to the source of information included into those articles. Thus, if you believe that this article has problems, and should be marked with the templates you added, the same should be done to the other articles. Otherwise, it looks like selective application of Wikipedia rules. Birdofpreyru (talk) 11:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Birdofpreyru: in Wikipedia, notability (deserving an article) is derived from significant mentions in reliable sources independent of the subject. For this article, I didn't find any such sources. You can always prove notability by providing reliable sources and they will be judged and taken into account. However, for Google Code Jam, I found plenty of reliable sources using WP:RSSE, and for Facebook Hacker Cup I found articles about it at TechCrunch and CNN Money. Those articles don't actually use those sources so I tagged them {{primary sources}} instead of
{{notability|events}}. They still might not pass notability fully, so you can always nominate them for deletion at WP:AfD. I didn't tag those articles for promotional content since I feel that they contain less of it. Also, you're free to tag articles yourself. wumbolo ^^^ 11:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Birdofpreyru: in Wikipedia, notability (deserving an article) is derived from significant mentions in reliable sources independent of the subject. For this article, I didn't find any such sources. You can always prove notability by providing reliable sources and they will be judged and taken into account. However, for Google Code Jam, I found plenty of reliable sources using WP:RSSE, and for Facebook Hacker Cup I found articles about it at TechCrunch and CNN Money. Those articles don't actually use those sources so I tagged them {{primary sources}} instead of
- @Wumbolo: My point is: yes, there is no information about Topcoder Open event from sources independent from the organizer; but the same applies to other popular programming tournaments, like Facebook Hacker Cup, and Google CodeJam. Even worser in their case: in this article I put references to the event websites, from where I collected the infromation; while in articles about other events, that I mentioned above, there is no references to the source of information included into those articles. Thus, if you believe that this article has problems, and should be marked with the templates you added, the same should be done to the other articles. Otherwise, it looks like selective application of Wikipedia rules. Birdofpreyru (talk) 11:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The List of Topcoder Open and Regional Events[edit]
On May 1, 2018, @Staszek Lem: attempted to remove the list of Topcoder Open and Regional events, commenting "Wikipedia is not catalog". I want to point out, that the list of events is de facto standard in Wikipedia articles about reccuring events, including, but not limited, to articles about other competitive programming and software development tournaments, e.g.: Google Code Jam, Facebook Hacker Cup, International Olympiad in Informatics. Other notable examples of articles based / containing large listings: CEV Cup, 2017–18 Men's CEV Cup, 2018 in spaceflight. I am going to undo that edit and bring the list back. Birdofpreyru (talk) 09:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- OK.Staszek Lem (talk) 16:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)