Talk:Toyota Sprinter Trueno

On 27 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Toyota Corolla Levin and Sprinter Trueno to Toyota Corolla Levin. The result of the discussion was moved to Toyota Sprinter Trueno.

Merge with Corolla and Sprinter[edit]

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No consensus to merge --KarlB (talk) 20:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All of this info is covered in the Toyota Corolla and Toyota Sprinter articles and they both refer to each other. There is no need for this article. Stepho-wrs (talk) 04:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

that may be so, however with the following of the corolla levin and trueno, i believe it is worthy of its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.241.8 (talk) 03:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Levins and Truenos as they are almost always referred to are somewhat independent of the Toyota Corolla and Toyota Sprinter names. They have a wide fan base and are rarely ever referred to as "Corolla Levin" or "Sprinter Trueno." The Corolla and Sprinter Prefixes are usually only used in official articles and a large number of the followers are unaware of the Sprinter and Corolla prefixes. The Trueno and the Levin should have their own respective pages as the vast amount of information available would be cumbersome to include on the respective Corolla and Sprinter pages.

Kamron (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to "Toyota Corolla TE/AE series"[edit]

SBarT renamed the page to "Toyota Corolla TE/AE series". This appears to be a good faith edit. I restored the previous name becuase the TE and AE Corollas had variations that were not Levins or Truenos. Also the Trueno grade was only used for Sprinters, not Corollas. So naming the article Corolla without Sprinter in the name doesn't cover the topic. Stepho talk 01:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Levin[edit]

I can't access it but the most likely source I have found to confirm the choice of Levin for this Corolla model's name is this book:

The Long Run, Toyota : the first 40 years in Australia

Author: Pedr Davis Publisher: Hurstville, NSW : Type Forty Pty Ltd, 1999.

ISBN: 0947079998 9780947079994

Eddaido (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Australia didn't get the Levin until after that book was published - and I'm not quite sure if they were through official dealers or as grey imports (I don't follow the post 2000 cars much). I can't find a mention in the book of the Levin but he didn't put a topic index in it, so it might be buried somewhere. It's also a history of the corporation, rather than the cars.

The use of the various names is as follows:

For E10 generation: All models called Corolla. Fastback coupe was called Corolla Sprinter (the only model to ever get both those names together).
For E20 generation: The Sprinter was introduced as a supposed separate model so that one dealer in a city could have "exclusive" sales of the Corolla and a second dealer could have "exclusive" sales of the completely separate, nothing alike, nothing in common "Sprinter". The Sprinter always had a B somewhere in the later part of its model code (eg KE20-CBFNR). Differences were cosmetic. Levin introduced in MArch 1972 as the grade of the Corolla with twincam engines. Trueno introduced at the same time as the grade of the Sprinter with twincam engines.

For E30/40/50/60 generations: Same as above but Corolla was E30 and E50 model codes and Sprinter was E40 and E60 model codes.
For following generations: Corolla had -E in model code (eg E-AE86-ESMQF for Levin GT) or Sprinter with -F in model code (eg E-AE86-FSMQF). Levin and Trueno no longer denote twincam engines
The AE86 Corolla/Levin had flat headlights (always with a -E code) and the AE86 Sprinter/Trueno had pop-up headlights (always with a -F code). Except Australia which called its flat headlight version the Sprinter (with -E code) and N.America which called its pop-up headlight version the Corolla (with -F code).

I feel like I'm raining on your parade but I think it unlikely that the Levin car was named after the New Zealand race track. Australia and NZ were among the first adopters of the Corolla and a very important market when it was first introduced for learning what Westerners liked but in those days a NZ race had little international prestige. If they wanted a fancy name that sells in the major markets then they would have looked to Europe (with its history of road racing) or the US (dollars). Most other Toyota cars were named after either crowns (the crown prince in particular for the first RS10 Crown) or something with a celestial/sky/heavens link - matching the thunder and lightning descriptions. Stepho talk 11:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 May 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. to Toyota Sprinter Trueno to address precision issue raised along with page stability and conciseness issues. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Corolla Levin and Sprinter Trueno → Toyota Corolla Levin – Unusual title that does not follow convention. Toyota Sprinter Trueno can remain a primary redirect 162 etc. (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 08:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There was some past discussion about the title and some moves, so this is potentially controversial and should go through a normal RM. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If anything, people tend to think of the Sprinter before they think of the Levin. Stepho talk 00:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The "Levin" name seems ambiguous whereas the "Sprinter Trueno" name seems less so. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Several acceptable names for this article as the model has had several names. A number of previous moves, two discussed above at #Rename to "Toyota Corolla TE/AE series" and #Levin, and others undiscussed as evidenced in the target history now preserved here. No reason to rescope the article as proposed above at #Merge with Corolla and Sprinter. Hopefully this RM will lead to some stability. Andrewa (talk) 23:13, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The title may not follow the typical convention for cars, but such titling does not lack precedent on Wikipedia; most Pokémon pairs of games have articles titled in a similar format. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to cars and badge engineering though, listing every name in the article title doesn't work. That's why we have Suzuki Vitara; not Suzuki Vitara, Suzuki Escudo, Suzuki Sidekick, Mazda Proceed Levante, Santana 300/350, Chevrolet Tracker, Geo Tracker, GMC Tracker, Pontiac Sunrunner, Asüna Sunrunner, Wanli WLZ5020XLD, Guangtong GTQ5020XLZ, and Chevrolet Vitara. 162 etc. (talk) 03:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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