Talk:Trial & Error (company)

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 11:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets—US$1,287 on day one, $644 on day two, all the way to $1 on day 24—was a university entrance exam question? Source:
    1. Tsang, Emily (2021-12-11). "It's no boy band, but Hong Kong's Trial & Error scores success between 'red lines' with videos, parodies, songs". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.

      The article notes: "In October, Trial & Error decided to test their offline success by holding two live shows at the 3,600-seat Star Halls venue to mark their first anniversary. Tickets sold out in just four days. Sales were done Dutch auction style, with prices set at HK$10,000 on the first day, HK$5,000 the next day, HK$2,000 the day after, with the promise of being just HK$10 on Day 24. Day 1 saw 13 tickets sold for HK$10,000 before four went for HK$5,000 the next day. All were sold by Day 4, when the ticket price was $800."

    2. 游學修反抽水親解答案 "【試當真】Live騷售票方式獲「官方認證」成DSE試題　游學修反抽水親解答案" [[Trial and Error] the live show ticket sales method has been "officially certified" as a DSE test question. Neo Yau's anti-pumping answer]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-05-04. Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.

      The article notes: "YouTube頻道《試當真Trial & Error》去年舉行兩場Live騷，以「減價拍賣」方式售票杜絕黃牛黨。開賣第一天已成功售出13張價值一萬元的門票，穩袋6位數字。香港中學文憑考試（DSE）經濟科昨日（3日）開考，卷一共有40條選擇題，其中一條以此Live騷門票價格功能為試題，再次引起網民熱論，"

      From Google Translate: "The YouTube channel "Trial & Error" held two live shows last year, and sold tickets through "reduction auctions" to prevent scalpers. On the first day of sales, 13 tickets worth HK$10,000 have been successfully sold, with a stable bag of 6 figures. The Hong Kong Diploma of Secondary Education Examination (DSE) Economics exam started yesterday (3rd). There are a total of 40 multiple-choice questions in the paper, one of which is based on the Live Show ticket price function as a test question, which once again aroused heated discussions among netizens, ..."

    3. Fung, Kei-na 馮琪雅 (2022-05-10). 考評局解構出題原因 "【DSE2022】「試當真」減價賣飛方式驚現DSE經濟科MC　考評局解構出題原因" [[DSE2022] The "Trial & Error" reduced price method of selling tickets surprisingly appears in DSE economics MC. The Examinations Bureau deconstructed the reason for the question.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.

Created by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Trial & Error (company); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • Drive by comment: I really don't think you need to convert the currency into dollars (Not everyone on English Wikipedia is an American after all). Having solely the Hong Kong dollars will be cleaner/easier to understand and won't detract from the hook much. :3 F4U (they/it) 00:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for sharing your input. Here is another hook that incorporates your feedback:

      ALT2: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets—HK$10,000 on day one; $5,000 on day two; all the way to $10 on day 24—was a university entrance exam question?

      Cunard (talk) 05:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Another drive-by comment: please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm seeing anything about university entrance exams in the article? Or maybe I missed it. I'm also not sure if it's even necessary to mention the prices at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for pointing this out. I've modified the article to mention university entrance exams. Based on your feedback, here is an updated hook without the prices:

      ALT3: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets was a university entrance exam question?

      Cunard (talk) 06:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That hook may need revision, as it's vague if the company used university exam questions to sell tickets, or if Hong Kong university entrance exams included the company's way of selling tickets as one of the questions (the article seems to suggest the latter, but the hook itself is unclear). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for catching this ambiguity. The latter interpretation is the correct interpretation. Here are revised hooks:

ALT4: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets appeared as a question on a university entrance exam?

ALT5: ... that a university entrance exam asked about YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets?

ALT6: ... that a university entrance exam question was about YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets?

Cunard (talk) 09:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard, Narutolovehinata5, and Theleekycauldron: Is it possible to make this hookier for April Fool's Day?
Or, is that simply run-of-the-mill "quirky" and not April Fool's Day material? Cielquiparle (talk) 10:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's just too run-of-the-mill unfortunately, and personally I think the non-AFD version is more intriguing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Proposing further rewording:
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - I'm a bit confused about one of the quotes. Could you clarify which quote from which source you've translated as "the hottest creator on YouTube"? With a quick glance I didn't see that in any of the four cited sources, though it seems Trial & Error topped a list of popular Hong Kong YouTubers.
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT4, ALT5, ALT6, ALT7, and ALT8 are approved. An even better hook might be to modify ALT2 with the clarification "appeared on a university entrance exam" instead of "was a university entrance exam question" (I think mentioning the prices makes the hook more interesting). Just one sourcing issue that needs to be clarified but otherwise looks good. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:34, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review, Mx. Granger (talk · contribs)! I've reworded the sentence about "the hottest creator on YouTube" to be more precise. Here is the source where I translated "the hottest creator on YouTube" from:

Ng, Polo (2021-12-13). "YouTube 2021年度熱門影片丨《試當真》成香港年度最熱門創作者！MIRROR包辦七首最熱門MV". Esquire HK. Archived from the original on 2023-03-20. Retrieved 2023-03-20.

The article notes: "YouTube作為現在互聯網中，大家瀏覽時間非常長的平台，更加YouTube 在香港已接觸到 550 多萬 18 歲或以上的本地用戶，到底這一年來，哪個平台和影片最當中最熱門？先說說最年度十大熱門創作者，就由2020年10月26日開台的《試當真》奪得，一年內發布210條影片，有353K訂閱，試映劇場《唔通佢有男朋友》、《哪裡只塞駿業里》、《Channel需要女》都奪得超過1M點擊率，更加熱門到令他們走上九展，舉辦《試當真一週年現場版》。"

From Google Translate: "YouTube is a platform that people spend a lot of time browsing on the Internet, and YouTube has reached more than 5.5 million local users aged 18 or above in Hong Kong. Which channels and videos are the most popular this year? Let's talk about the top ten hottest creators of the year first, which was won by Trial & Error, which launched on 26 October 2020. Within one year, the channel released 210 videos and has 353K subscribers. "Don't tell me that she has a boyfriend", "Traffic jam on Tsun Yip Street", and "Channel needs girls" all received more than 1M hits, and they became so popular that they went to the Kowloon Bay International Trade & Exhibition Centre and held "Trial & Error's first anniversary show: the in-person version"."

Here is a modified ALT2 that incorporates your suggested rewording:

ALT9: ... that YouTube channel Trial & Error's manner of selling live show tickets—HK$10,000 on day one; $5,000 on day two; all the way to $10 on day 24—appeared on a university entrance exam?

Cunard (talk) 05:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Looks good to me. ALT9 is my favorite, and alts 4-8 would also work. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:25, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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