Talk:Trinity Academy, Edinburgh

Listing non-religions such as "Non denominational" in the religion entries of infoboxes[edit]

There have been several RfCs on whether to list non-religions such as "Non denominational" in the religion entries (religion, denomination, religious affilliaton, etc.) of infoboxes:

15 June 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

This RfC had a clear consensus for removing the religion parameter from the infobox for individuals (living, deceased, and fictional), groups, schools, institutions, and political parties that have no religion, but that RfC was determined by the closing administrator to not apply to nations.

17 June 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations.

This RfC had a clear consensus for removing the religion parameter for countries, nations, states, regions, etc., all of which were determined to not have religions.

31 December 2015 RfC: RfC: Religion in infoboxes.

This RfC was a response to certain individuals insisting that the previous RfCs did not apply to their favorite pages (schools, political parties, sports teams, computer operating systems, organized crime gangs...) and had a clear consensus that in all all infoboxes in all Wikipedia articles, without exception, nonreligions should not be listed in the "Religion=" parameter of the infobox.

11 April 2016 RfC: RfC: Religion in biographical infoboxes.

In this RfC, there was a clear consensus to remove the "religion=" and "denomination=" parameters from all infoboxes, not just the ones that call atheism/agnosticism a religion.

There have been four RfCs on this, and all four showed the same overwhelming consensus. All of the RfCs also concluded that you are free to put a section about religion in the body of the article, subject of course to our usual rules such as WP:V, WP:RS and WP:WEIGHT. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:30, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I shall not re-instate the Religion' entry in the info box but I do believe there is merit in including this for Edinburgh schools and Trinity Academy in particular for the following reasons:

1. The argument that this should be removed because nonreligions should not be listed against religions does not apply here. Trinity Academy is a school where religion forms part of the curriculum however it is not limited to any one specific faith. Therefore it is non-demoninational religion.

2. The inclusion of this information is worthwhile in discriminating this particular school from 'denominational' secondary schools in Edinburgh such as St Thomas of Aquins.

Craiglea (talk) 11:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Non-denominational Christian" is an example of something that is a religion. "Non-denominational" is an example of something that is a nonreligion.

I don't know the details of Trinity Academy (I am just the decision of the RfC in hundreds of articles) but is religious instruction part of the curriculum? If not, then don't call a nonreligion a religion in the infobox. Do they teach Islam without favoring Shiites, Sunnis, etc.? Then they are a non-demoninational Islamic school. Do they teach Christianity without favoring Baptists, Presbyterians, etc.? Then they are a non-demoninational Christian school. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly this is a discussion I’ve little interest in continuing much longer. You clearly have a view that is set; my own view is more pragmatic and there's little value in me debating this further.

To answer the question, this school accepts all children from all religious backgrounds (or non). It teaches Religious Moral and Philosophical Studies spanning Christian and non-Christian faiths, without favouring any demonisation or sect. One definition of non-denominational is open or acceptable to people of any Christian denomination and A non-denominational person or organization is not restricted to any particular or specific religious denomination. This last definition is taken from WIKIPEDIA and clearly establishes a link between religion and non-denominationalism.

A genuine "non-religion" would be atheism or humanism and would be inappropriate within an info box under the category 'Religion'.

Let’s just leave this discussion here. Craiglea (talk) 20:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]