Talk:UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying

Remove Russia from the map.

Please could someone remove Russia from the map as they will not enter the qualifying. Anttipng (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

What's with the constant seething for? 47.185.105.210 (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Play-offs

If I'm not mistaken, the countries ranked 51–55 can't reach the tournament through the play-offs. This should perhaps be made clear in this table? // Mattias321 (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mattias321: The teams in pots 4 and 5 will all be drawn into separate groups, and the top two teams of each group will qualify for Euro 2024. So theoretically, if every team from these pots qualify except for one of the League C group winners (Georgia, Greece, Turkey or Kazakhstan), the play-off spots must be passed to teams in a lower league, and thus could reach all the way to Liechtenstein. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: Ah sorry, forgot about that scenario... Thanks for correcting my mistake! // Mattias321 (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

1. If one of those leagues has fewer than four non-qualifying teams, spots are taken first by the best group winner from League D (unless already qualified), and then by other teams based on ranking. 2. Group winners from Leagues B and C cannot face teams from higher leagues. What will happen if all teams except 3 from Leagues B are qualified and at least 5 teams from Leagues A are not qualified? Will one team from A will go to B Play-off (contradicting 2) or will one team from C will go to B Play-off (contradicting 1)?

The formal wording used is "The remaining slots are then allocated to the best-ranked of the teams that have not already qualified for the final tournament (...), subject to the restriction that group winners of Leagues A, B and C cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked teams", so in this hypothetical scenario the 5th team from league A would not enter the play-offs. Kirt93 (talk) 23:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Not all league B and C teams are group winners though, are they? So as long as none of the non-qualified teams from league B or C are group winners, a team from league A can be added to the B or C play-off path. But before that the B path would be filled by the best group winner from league D per rule 1 of course.Tvx1 21:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixtures

When will the fixtures be added? as they have been release Japhes5005 (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Luxembourg

Why could Luxembourg not be put into group H (Denmark, Finland, Slovenia) and group I (Switzerland, Israel, Romania), but group J? [1]

Any reply? -St3095 ^(?) 15:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@St3095: Because group J was unavailable for both Kosovo and Kazakhstan. Kosovo-Bosnia is a prohibited clash due to politics, and Kazakhstan can't meet Portugal and Iceland in the same group due to excessive travel restriction. So Luxembourg had to be placed in that group. --BlameRuiner (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@BlameRuiner: thanks. -St3095 ^(?) 13:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

north of Ireland "flag"

That banner has not been officially used since the early 1970s. Why does it continue to be used on wikipedia for the northern team? 47.185.105.210 (talk) 15:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The flag is used to represent the national team within FIFA. S.A. Julio (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

And Portugal?

..m 2001:8A0:F214:1E00:4934:F404:5D08:AE63 (talk) 23:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Portugal has got 3 points and four goals against Liechtenstein

portugal is in the second or first place 2001:8A0:F214:1E00:4934:F404:5D08:AE63 (talk) 23:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Turkey or Turkiye?

Does this need changing now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:8D48:1:8CE:719E:1C06:64C9 (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The article for the country is located at Turkey. The national team articles should only be renamed if the article on the country is moved. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Visualizing the play-offs

Would it make sense under the play-off section to highlight in green teams that would currently qualify directly, and in blue those that would qualify for a play-off path? I don't trust myself to mess around with the colors or I'd do it myself ArgoBargo (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I like the idea. I think in previous EURO qualifyings it has also been done. I give it a try later Thmetzi (talk) 09:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Overall rankings

It says some games haven't been played yet while most of the teams did play them. How did slovenia only play 1 game? They played 2 and won both so should have 6 points 84.30.65.18 (talk) 04:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Matches against 6th place don't count. Otherwise, the teams in Group H, I, J would play more games than the teams in groups of 5, giving an unfair advantage on points. Mwiqdoh (talk) 05:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Path play offs

If 14 or 15 automatically qualify from league A or B then the 2nd or 3rd places will go to Estonia, does the final place go to next league down or to D. Japhes23 Japhes23 (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Japhes23: It would go by overall ranking, League D would not get additional places. You can see the full explanation here. S.A. Julio (talk) 02:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Table rows highlighted in green

At present, the top two rows in the qualifying group for each table are highlighted in green, with "Qualify for final tournament" which makes it look as if those teams have already qualified. They haven't.

Could/should there be another colour (a more washed-out green perhaps?) for "Teams finishing in these positions will qualify" davidprior ^t/_c 23:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Qualification vs qualifying

Shouldn't all of these articles be titled e.g., "UEFA Euro 2024 qualification" rather than qualifying, in line with e.g., 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification. Sounds better in my opinion, although I think both can technically be correctly used as nouns. Bs1jac (talk) 08:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Group E

It is not true that Faroe Islands cannot qualify directly. Theoretically it is possible. Marij (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Marij: Many editors, including me, have considered most (if not all) possible scenarios of Group E. Faroe at best may get a 10-point 3-way tie with Czech/Moldova/Poland, but they will fall behind in head-to-head points. Centaur271188 (talk) 06:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: OK, Yyu're right Marij (talk) 11:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Gibraltar

Why is Gibraltar marked with (E)? I believe it should be (Y). Kirt93 (talk) 23:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kirt93: We already have 4 Y teams in League C and their rankings are higher than Gibraltar's, so Gibraltar cannot advance to play-offs. Centaur271188 (talk) 06:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

There are only 2 teams in League C which are currently marked as Y. If there are 4 such teams, the information about other two should be corrected. Kirt93 (talk) 07:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kirt93: We also have Bulgaria/Lithuania in Group G and Belarus/Kosovo in Group I. They cannot qualify directly together, so they are already Y. We just do not specifically know which team yet. Centaur271188 (talk) 07:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok Kirt93 (talk) 07:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Belarus

update: I am wrong, but dont delete the post. because only 3 points will have Belaurus played among the teams in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.6.88.211 (talk) 08:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Belarus have chance qualify directly. If they beat Switzerland 8-0 or more, and Israel beat Switzerland 1-0. And Romania beat Israel and Switzerland.

Tiebreaking

1, Higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question;

Belarus, Israel and Switzerland 14 points,

2, Superior goal difference in matches played among the teams in question;

Belarus 9-8, Switzerland 8-9, Israel 4-5 2001:4C4E:1333:BC00:A0E0:BDB7:FD21:7163 (talk) 07:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Another question regarding the play-offs

I have yet another question regarding the formation of the play-off paths. What would happen if the entire set of teams of one of the three leagues with potential play-off paths end up qualifying for the tournament directly? In practice, this could happen with league A so what would that result in? Will they form a second league C play-off path (considering that they are formed in reverse chronological alphabetical order)? Tvx1 13:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tvx1: First Estonia would be selected, followed by the next best teams in the overall Nations League ranking. So with your example, League B would get three additional play-off spots. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? The rules state that the play-off paths are formed in reverse aplhabetical order of the league names. So that would rather suggest that league C would get the additional play-off spot. And Estonia would only come in the equation if less teams than required to form a set of four are left unselected in one of the leagues.Tvx1 19:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

No, in this hypothetically scenario, according to the regulations it would go like this:

- First path C will be formed, 4 teams from league C will go to it.

- Second path B will be formed, 4 teams from league B will go to it.

- Third path A will be formed, there will (hypothetically) be no league A teams, so 1 slot in this path will go to Estonia, and the other 3 slots will be "allocated to the best-ranked of the teams that have not already qualified for the final tournament on the basis of the overall 2022/23 UEFA Nations League rankings, subject to the restriction that group winners of Leagues A, B and C cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked teams" which will be teams from league B.

This situation (all league A teams qualified directlyy) is all extremely unlikely to happen anyway though, because at this point it's extremely unlikely (though matemathically possible) for both Poland and Czechia to get directly qualified together with one another. Kirt93 (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Possible absurd situation

Republic of Ireland cannot qualify directly but through the play-off if enough better ranked class B teams are qualified directly. Maybe Ireland has to loose their last game against the Netherlands and maybe they have to loose with a bigger goal difference for qualifying the Netherlands (instead of Greece) directly and to be part of the play-off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8070:D283:580:7862:81F0:2A03:6900 (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, good catch! This would in fact happen if (and only if) no more than 2 teams worse (in the Nations League ranking) than Ireland qualify directly - it doesn't seem likely at this point that it would be only as few as 2 such teams, but certainly trying to win (or draw) against Netherlands would only make it worse from Ireland's perspective. Kirt93 (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Israel possible suspension !

The match with Kosovo was postponed as the Israeli government won't let players aboard, mainly to do with the War with Hamas, Israel has a guarantee play off place, despite UEFA not saying anything yet that I'm aware of, any remaining Israeli home fixtures can't be played either, Japhes23 Japhes23 (talk) 21:15, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

North Macedonia

Are North Macedonia definitely out? If they win both their remaining games and Italy beat Ukraine, then it would put all those 3 sides on 13 points. I work it out Italy and North Macedonia are then tied depending on goal difference, so basically a good win for North Macedonia against Italy and they come second.

Though I could be wrong. 2A00:23C8:4F05:9001:5119:8977:FE18:22C2 (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Scrap that. I'm wrong. 2A00:23C8:4F05:9001:5119:8977:FE18:22C2 (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

It is a bit confusing, but there isn't a condition where it's possible. Even if Macedonia won both of their remaining matches, Italy beat Ukraine and they all ended on the same points, the first tiebreaker would have Macedonia on 4 points, Ukraine on 6, and Italy on 7. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Playoffs - Eliminated teams in light red?

Hi all - great work on all the playoff possibilities - I just wondered if it would aid clarity if the teams definitely Eliminated (E) were shown in light red highlight - same as relegated teams in other league tables elsewhere? 212.231.199.214 (talk) 09:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Done :) Tedeff (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

This table is about the playoffs, and is not an overall summary of the qualification. As long as a team cannot be in the playoffs, the table doesn't care if it can still finish in top 2 of its group. I think the new highlighting should either be removed, or should also be applied to those teams with status (Z) that are not already highlighted in green. --Theurgist (talk) 21:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

It may be worth to add light red colours to eliminated teams for clarity. And once qualification is over this red light colours can be again removed. Kolya77 (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

This was done by @Tedeff but then someone else undid it, saying it 'wasn't what was done for the group tables so shouldn't be done here'. IMO the playoffs table is distinct from the group tables and serves a different purpose, and I agree with @Kolya77 that it should show light red for (E) teams to distinguish them from (x), (y), and (z) teams that are not green/blue, while qualification is ongoing, and then removed again once qualification is completed and all E teams are known. 94.173.204.229 (talk) 10:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Ireland is not eliminated

Ireland can still make it to playoffs, if Albania fails to qualify from their group and instead Czech Republic and Poland qualifies, and if Israel qualifies from their group in place of Romania, and if Slovakia, Serbia and Denmark qualifies from their groups (already in top 2), then the final playoff spot in bracket A will go to Ireland. Potential brackets if Italy qualifies and Ukraine goes into playoffs are:

Bracket A

1. Loser of Croatia or Wales
2. Estonia
3. Norway
4. Republic of Ireland

Bracket B

1. Bosnia and Hergegovina
2. Finland
3. Ukraine
4. Iceland

205.164.155.165 (talk) 06:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

scratch this scenario, Poland cannot advance in place of Albania due to head-to-head record so Ireland is eliminiated. 205.164.155.165 (talk) 09:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Wrong assumption: "if Albania fails to qualify from their group and instead Czech Republic and Poland qualifies"!

There is no scenario in which both Poland and the Czech Republic would qualify ahead of Albania. Poland can get a maximum of 13 points, but cannot win Group E. Poland can only qualify second behind Albania. 91.22.243.18 (talk) 09:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Has Estonia already secured a place in play-offs Bracket A?

Since only Italy, Poland, and Croatia/Wales are left in Path A. 2A02:A03F:64BF:7600:DDE2:DC11:714C:9277 (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The Czech Republic may also finish third in their group, thus Estonia are not yet guaranteed a play-off spot. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

The Czech Republic have now qualified, so Estonia has a guaranteed spot. As do Iceland, as in League A a max of Italy, Poland and Wales/Croatia can go into playoffs. If this does happen then Ukraine will have qualified automatically meaning Iceland get the 4th League B spot. If Italy qualify automatically then there will be 2nd spot to carry over to B from A, which would go to Iceland. I would be grateful if this could be updated. Safc26 (talk) 12:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Czch Republic is not safe yet. Might still be overtaken my Moldova. The game is tonight. So tomorrow will be clear. Thmetzi (talk) 13:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Why the "four/five" teams comment is confusing

The paragraph in the Draw section "If five teams from League B advance to the play-offs" is confusing because it is unclear whether this is referring to the current situation (which it is - that is, reflecting Scotland and Serbia being qualified) or the rules (which it really isn't). If it were reflecting the rules, the line would be something like - if more than four teams qualify and at least two are not group winners then there will be a draw blah blah . You might argue that the comment is only meant to reflect where we are today, but that is fundamentally inconsistent with the next part of this paragraph which notes what the rules say (and not what the situation is, which is that these outcomes are irrelevant because they won't happen). 165.12.252.113 (talk) 02:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Bold and italics in the seedings tables

In those lists in this and other articles, qualifying teams are bolded, and those advancing to the play-offs are italicized (so play-off winners are in both bold and italics). Is this necessary? I propose two simpler alternatives:

• Keep the bolding only. A qualifier is a qualifier and a non-qualifier is a non-qualifier.
• Get rid of both. This section is about the seedings for the draw, not about what happened afterwards. The direct qualifiers are already indicated in three other sections (the group standings, the Nations League overall ranking, and the qualification overall ranking), so yet another one is too much.

My preference is towards the latter one. --Theurgist (talk) 05:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

There is a practice following past editions. 2020 is a reference. Island92 (talk) 11:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

This doesn't mean it mustn't be discussed and reconsidered. Besides, I forgot the list of qualified teams in the beginning; that was making it five such lists, and now there's a sixth one, in the "Summary" section (also based on previous editions). --Theurgist (talk) 02:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Simply per consistency with past editions. Island92 (talk) 05:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

The whole "we did it before, so we should do it again" is a cyclical argument. We should focus on what should be used in the article. I worry with the amount of formatting we used to denote different concepts that it doesn't help WP:ACCESS nor is it easy to understand from reading the article what they all mean. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, conformity with pre-existing pages should only be used if there aren't better arguments. And yeah, by covering what's outside its scope the section becomes less focused and more confusing. Does anyone object to removing the bold and italics in this and other pages? --Theurgist (talk) 03:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't sound like it. Go for it per WP:SILENCE. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Done, for European Qualifiers pages (Euros and World Cup). --Theurgist (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

You did it here, as well as other related pages. That is consistency between articles rather than "we did it before, so we should do it again". Island92 (talk) 13:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

"Yugoslavia were initially to appear in 1992"

Well, either they did or they didn't, this is all that matters for the table of finalists here. I tried to remove that note, but Island92 insists that I should discuss it with 'expert users' like S.A. Julio. --Theurgist (talk) 03:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Involving @Centaur271188:. In addition @Foghe: please do not remove such bold info supported by reliable source. Island92 (talk) 05:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Island92: Again, why was I summoned here? :v This is far more inconvenient than the first time,[2] because I am rarely active now. @Theurgist: I would like to keep the Serbia note, because I think the 1992 incident is worth mentioning. Centaur271188 (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

No one forces you to respond immediately. Just involved to give your opinion. Thanks. Island92 (talk) 05:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: Well, we don't indicate for every World Cup where Austria qualifies that it was going to appear in 1938, nor do we state that France, Scotland and Turkey would have participated in 1950. Such incidents belong to the pages on the respective tournament editions and teams. Anywhere else they are only a little more relevant than narrow missouts after long-contested last-minute penalties (so, insufficiently relevant). --Theurgist (talk) 13:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Theurgist: I agree that we should not mention all withdraw-after-qualified incidents, especially those from World Wars - Cold War era, because there are too many, none of them looks notable enough. But Yugoslavia case is quite different, they were banned, and it happened more recently. Centaur271188 (talk) 11:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

They are not too many, but just those that I listed, plus India in 1950, but India hasn't qualified ever again. --Theurgist (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Serbia never attended the EuroCup because it did not exist before 2006

Please update the data related to Serbia. There was no Serbia before 2006. Yugoslavia would be a better term, but it is complicated. 46.114.104.134 (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

See souce note. Island92 (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Visual issue in play-off result table

@S.A. Julio:: Maybe this is just me using outdated Chrome, on Windows 7, on an old PC; but the table does not auto-correct, so the number part of penalty score stays at the same line with the full-time score, while the letter "p" appears at a line below. Do you think we should enforce linebreak here? Centaur271188 (talk) 13:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: Oh I see, I made an adjustment to {{pso}} to use a non-breaking space, does it look better now? S.A. Julio (talk) 18:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: No, nbsp does not fix it. How about nowrap? But now I am quite sure this is just me using Chrome's "small" font size, instead of the default one. Everything appears ok when I switch to recommended font size. Thanks anyway :) Centaur271188 (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: I've added nowrap to the template, does that change anything? S.A. Julio (talk) 01:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)