Talk:USS Greer

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Second thoughts on that encounter ...[edit]

I just wanted to give my 2 cents regarding the description of the USS Greer incident. It's stated that the USS Greer chased and doged the U-boat for more than two hours before being attacked by the first torpedo. This behaviour could easily be interpreted as an act of aggression towards another military vessel of a foreign nation. I wonder if the way this incident is currently reflected is really completely NPOV. ... Cheers, MikeZ (talk) 09:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it that way.

Submarines are tracked even in peacetime. It's the job of navies to know where the possible threats are. There's nothing wrong with that. It may be going over the line if they were to ping the boat but the article doesn't say that happened, and I don't know if that would have been declared hostile in 1941. Listening and following is normal procedure. It could be happening right this minute.

It is unfair for a ship that's not at war to share intelligence with a ship that is at war, but that happens today as well. My guess is that Germany could have used that excuse to declare war on the U.S. but they chose not to at that time.

-- Randy2063 (talk) 03:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Being fair" is not a term of international law. Sharing information to a combatant is clearly an act of agression. The torpedo seems to be a warning shot.--89.182.214.60 (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I meant by "fair" but it may not be correct. It would seem like you're right about sharing information being an act of aggression, but I don't see it in the 1907 Hague Convention Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers in Naval War. There were plenty of other sources of international law in 1941, of course. If anyone has anything on this, it would be nice to see it in the article.

I'm not aware of torpedoes being used for warning shots. It would be a desperate move in desperate times.

-- Randy2063 (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jeanne d'Arc[edit]

I can't reconcile the description of the French ship Jeanne d'Arc here with that at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Jeanne_d%27Arc_(1930). Here it says the US destroyer tried to prevent the Jeanne d'Arc from joining the Vichy French. But in the article about that ship, it mentions that it was in Martinique, and does not sound like the Vichy had it. (A year later, it "joined" the Free French, so maybe that means it had previously "joined" the Vichy--but taking gold from France to Canada doesn't sound like s.t. a Vichy French vessel would do.) Can anybody clarify what was going on? It may be that the other article is the one at fault. Mcswell (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Clancy books[edit]

In some recent books based on works by Tom Clancy, There's a Arleigh Burke-class destroyer with the name James Greer, hull number unknown. Will (Talk - contribs) 15:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]