Talk:Umbrella man (JFK assassination)

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Z-225[edit]

I have no idea what a Z-225 is, and why its mentioned twice here. I guess its something to do with frames, but with no reference or explanation its really pointless in this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.42.104.161 (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the previous comment. What the heck is "Z-225" and why is it mentioned without explanation in the second paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.176.81.128 (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC) Z-225 means frame #225 from the Zapruder film. 99.100.68.26 (talk) 10:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)MA[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline (talk) 14:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Umbrella Man (JFK assassination) → Louie Steven Witt – Since this person was identified a long time ago, the article should bear his name. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this is not a biography article. -- 70.24.247.66 (talk) 05:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree with the IP. The article deals mostly with conspiracy theories surrounding the person. It really doesn't discuss any biographical information about Witt—not even his occupation or anything. I suspect WP:BLP1E applies, but if the article were ever substantially written to be primarily about Witt rather than the role of the "Umbrella Man" in conspiracies, I wouldn't be opposed to such a move. --BDD (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Weasel Words[edit]

Sweet lord, this is Wikipedia, not the History channel. "Some believe" doesn't account for anything. Cite.--67.240.156.83 (talk) 02:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The following statements have been removed per the above:

Some conspiracy theorists^[who?] are still skeptical of Witt's story, however, and do not believe him to be the true "Umbrella Man."

Some^[who?] claim that a dark skinned man standing very close to the Umbrella Man between the Umbrella Man and President Kennedy was an assassination accomplice. At Zapruder film frame Z-202 this dark-skinned man was photographed facing the on-coming president with both arms down. By Z-225 (slightly over one second later) the same dark-skinned man shot his right hand upward quickly and extended in an apparent wave (even though his hand remains un-waving, suggesting a "Nazi salute"). In photos afterward, some^[who?] theorize that the same dark-skinned man was photographed speaking into a walkie-talkie, and other photos seem to show something bulging noticeably from his back pants pocket. Witt claims he never noticed that the dark-skinned man near him was holding anything.

- Location (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody less lazy than me should find some sources. Currently the article offers only one theory, given as "A less common theory, held by L. Fletcher Prouty". This is because the preceding paragraph about the (apparently) more common theory was deleted (by, I postulate, somebody more lazy than me). Card Zero (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've now sourced the more common theory to a 1978 magazine article and re-inserted the fact that Stone's JFK film features the Umbrella Man in a signaller role. --McGeddon (talk) 11:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Card Zero:To be clear, four days prior to your comment it was an ISP who removed the sentence preceding the one about Prouty's theory. (diff) The source that has been introduced recently to back-up the above claim about Witt has been discussed in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#whowhatwhy.com. Location (talk) 18:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]