Talk:Unang Hirit

They don't have articles yet but they are notable

Hi Oripaypaykim, I disagree with your assertion that Susan Enriquez, Nathaniel Cruz, Lyn Ching et al aren't notable. They don't have articles yet in Wikipedia but it doesn't mean that they aren't notable. The links that you provided WP:Notability and WP:NOTEBLP talk about if a topic or a person warrants an own article. Adding them (people with no articles in Wikipedia) in an article is fine. See this section for the explanation: Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_guidelines_do_not_apply_to_content_within_an_article. And I quote:

"The criteria applied to article creation/retention are not the same as those applied to article content."

Furthermore, Susan Enriquez et al regular appears in the show. Why would we exclude them inside this article? What's wrong with it? --Jojit (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Jojit fb i just removed the host because Unang Hirit dabarkads are notable hosts in their persons article can you ask Corkythehornetfan? this is the notable people in their host are no article here. Oripaypaykim (talk) 10:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I have to go. --Jojit (talk) 10:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: Since I was pinged, here is what I have to say: As said by another user:

“ Lists of people must meet the criteria listed at WP:LISTPEOPLE. This isn't the first station article this has been discussed on, and articles have been protected to prevent these additions, or the editors in question blocked when they persistently continue to reinsert inappropriate material. If a name is included in the article in this way, it has to show that it's relevant to the subject by meeting WP:LISTPEOPLE. Just because a station lists its employees doesn't mean Wikipedia needs to as well, and other station articles needing similar cleanup doesn't mean this one doesn't need to be cleaned up, because whenever it's actually discussed on a station article, the end result is the same; the names that don't meet WP:LISTPEOPLE are removed. Wikipedia is also not a directory. See here, here, and here for previous discussions about this. ”

In other words, if they do not have an article, they do not belong. Corkythehornetfan 07:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Corkythehornetfan, Yes, it's a list but it is not just a list. It's a list of cast or news presenters and this guideline should take precedence: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television#Cast and characters information. How come the main news presenters should be removed? For example, Susan Enriquez and Nathaniel Cruz are one of the main news presenters and there are reliable sources to back this up. Why wouldn't they be included as main host? Please give me one good reason why they shouldn't be included. Saying that they don't have any article yet is not good enough. If a regular viewer of Unang Hirit reads this and they see that only Arnold Clavio, Rhea Santos, Connie Sison, Winnie Monsod and Ivan Mayrina are the notable hosts then they might say "What gives? Do Wikipedia mean that Susan Enriquez and Nathaniel Cruz are not notable? I am watching this show and clearly, they are the main newscasters." We are misleading readers and we are not giving added value to readers. Sometimes, we have to ignore rules and think the betterment of the articles. --Jojit (talk) 09:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

By the way, Winnie Monsod is not even a main host. She is just a segment host and not appearing in every episode. Susan Enriquez and Nathaniel Cruz appears in every show. --Jojit (talk) 09:57, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

It isn't just about the show's regular viewers, it's about the world in general. If someone in Brazil were to come to this article, they wouldn't care about the no-namers; they only care about the notable names. These hosts may be notable in the Philippines, but they are not considered Wikipedia notable. If you think they need to be included and are notable, then create an article for them that passes Wikipedia's guidelines. WT:WikiProject Television Stations did a pretty good job in the US articles -- only the notable anchors should be listed. Even British articles are doing it. Corkythehornetfan 10:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm not convince with your answer. How would you know that other non-Filipinos would not care? Actually, for me, I'm a Filipino and I'm interested with other non-Filipino TV shows. For example, in the South Korean drama Dae Jang Geum; if Jo Jung-eun isn't listed there, I wouldn't know who played the young Jang Geum. Jo Jung-eun don't even have a Wikipedia article but she is listed there. So, in this case, what's wrong of including Susan Enriquez and Nathaniel Cruz et al as main newscasters? I can create articles for them but that's irrelevant in our discussion. The main point here is that they are main newscasters and they should be included in the list. Do we have a consensus here? --Jojit (talk) 10:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Well if you can get others to agree (without WP:CANVASSING), then I might agree, but right now I'm sticking with what I've said: if they are not notable, they don't belong. I've seen a LOT of editors edit articles and revert others who add non-notable people simply because they are NOT notable. Corkythehornetfan 10:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I think you didn't get it. You keep insisting that they are not notable. They don't have an article yet in Wikipedia but they (Susan Enriquez, Nathaniel Cruz, Luane Dy, Suzi Entrate et al) are notable. What if I just add the names with a reliable source? I think any information added that have a reliable source shouldn't be removed. --Jojit (talk) 01:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I think the person who keep forcing this "No Wikipedia article, not notable enough" is not getting the point. Hosts like Lyn Ching, Susan Enriquez are notable in the show itself to be mention in the article. They have been awarded by PMPC awards for hosting the show. And since when Wikipedia became a popularity contest? I have seen articles for American TV shows and films with actors/people without a Wikipedia article and still being listed in the article, so this is just a biased list based on someone's point of view. Also the fact that the "notable hosts" doesn't have any source is a big problem.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 12:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Biased list

I cannot believe how biased and incomplete the hosts section is especially it excludes "Unnotable" hosts which is very questionable since a lot of hosts like Susan Enriquez, Regine Tolentino, Susan Entrata and Love Anover have won awards for the show and have been hosting the show for years. And the section doesn't even have a source or guideline to really see if the hosts listed are the only "notable" shows of the show. The way I see it, its biased and based on someone's point of view of who's popular or not.

Second, a person doesn't have to a Wikipedia article just to be mentioned or listed here. As long the information is provided with a reliable source, you can list the person in the article.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 12:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)