Talk:Uranography

Copy[edit]

I hate to gripe, but this appears to just be the Tirion article (linked to below) copied and pasted. Is that usual practice? --User:Lesonyrra 22:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope! It's EEVIL!!. And a violation of copyright! Rursus 09:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually (forgive my screaming), the article says that the intro is used by Tirions permission, so it's maybe not a violation of copyright. But then it is in disaccord with the GFDL rules of Wikipedia. If it's used with some kind of exclusive permission, the GFDL policy is violated. We must replace the article text ASAP. Rursus 09:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Celestial atlas[edit]

I hereby propose to merge the stubby article Celestial atlas, that I once wrote, because that article treats the same topic as this, and that there's currently no risk of too long and extensive articles. Therefore I propose that the Celestial atlas text is integrated into this text, and that Celestial atlas redirects to Uranography. Rursus 09:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support the merge, and I suggest including star atlas in the merge as well. However, the final article should probably use a common name such as "celestial atlas" or "star atlas" and not "Uranography". Dr. Submillimeter 11:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About title I disagree, because: "Uranography" is the more general term, so it may include Almagest star tables, Tycho's Uranienborg, Tabulae Rudolphinae, Plancius'es star globes, Bayers star maps, sextants, octants etc.. The cathegories star position measurements, star atlases and observatories are so interdependent that I propose "Uranography" being the initial concept. The English meaning should be something like "star cartography" or the greek-latin "celestiography", so those can be used instead of greek "uranography". Rursus 12:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about "star cartography"? Rursus 12:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly have rarely seen the term "uranography" used. "Star chart" is the more common term. "Astrometry" is the technical term; see astrometry. Dr. Submillimeter 15:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Star atlas would be a good name... there's also stellar cartography. 70.51.11.38 03:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope! I'll not write about atlases or star maps, I'll write about mapping the stars. I'll take "star cartography"! Said: Rursus 19:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

... I'm going to give a reason: two of the most important early astronomical works are Almagest and Tabulae Rudolphinae. These two, both instructions for planet computation, contain star tables that were very important for Tycho, Kepler and the following early star maps. They're more central to the maps than the maps themselves. Said: Rursus 19:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be merged (!!)[edit]

New title is as yet undecided, the word "celestiography" is discarded (because I couldn't find it in my Swedish-English dictionary). Rursus 12:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

add stellar cartography to the mix. 70.51.11.38 03:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good! I'll take that! Besides: I found Cheonsang Yeolcha Bunyajido which isn't going to be merged, but is a very nice and interesting link. Said: Rursus 19:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I decide for the title "star cartography". Many won't like it, some like me, will think it's a "bastard" formulation, but "star charts" and how they're produced, that's the topic. Said: Rursus 19:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Errrrrrr, how about the article Start chart? You might want to merge that one as well. Wammes Waggle (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ongoing merge process[edit]

Now, I'm integrating everything into Star cartography. If the term must be changed, then we'll do it by a move later. Said: Rursus 20:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

article source	fact in- tegration status¹)	source status²)	notes
Celestial atlas	not in dest	redirecting	I wrote that article once upon a time. It has no value. I deem it could be deleted without even reviewing it. It s*x(ed)!
Star atlas	covered by dest	redirecting
Stellar cartography	covered by dest	redirecting
Uranography	partially in dest ³)	mergescreamed	this text cannot be merged without heavy rewrite. Tirion kindly gives us the permission to use this text, but what we need is a GFDLed text.

¹) integration statuses: not in dest, partially in dest, covered by dest;

²) source article status: none, mergescreamed, redirecting;

³) the article's text is not yet integrated into the destination article

I made a redirect-only page from my Celestial atlas, because it was so extremely poorly written. Said: Rursus 06:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Future content[edit]

My notes moved to Talk:Star cartography. Said: Rursus 13:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]