Talk:Vardon Trophy
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On the PGA Tour page, the money winners and pga player of the year winners all have their names as hyperlinks. On this page, if a name is repeated, it is not made into a wikilink. Would it be better to make all names linkable on this page even if they have already been mentioned? Supertigerman 02:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
1987[edit]
This chart lists Dan Pohl as the scoring leader in 1987. The PGA TOUR's website shows it as David Frost: http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/1987/120.html. I'm sure it's tied in with the differing standards for the trophies etc., but it'd be good to have some kind of explanation. For example, why does the table show both columns through 1988, but there was evidently a discrepancy between some set of criteria in 1987? 76.10.24.245 17:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
More 1987[edit]
What was going on in 1987? That year, David Frost is listed as having won the Byron Nelson Award for lowest average (minimum 50 rounds) with an average of 70.09. On the other hand, Dan Pohl is listed as having won the Vardon Trophy for the lowest average (minimum 60 rounds), with an average of 70.25. The only way this makes any sense is if Frost played 50-59 rounds of golf in 1987. He did not; the PGA TOUR's website shows him playing 98 rounds of golf that year (Pohl is listed at 96). Why didn't Frost win the Vardon Trophy in 1987? He had a lower scoring average than Pohl and played the minimum 60 rounds. MrArticleOne (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- You can add to this question substantially the same thing about 1989. Why didn't Payne Stewart win the Vardon Trophy that year? He played 85 rounds of golf; well above the Vardon Trophy's 60-round minimum. MrArticleOne (talk) 20:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Note that the 3 other times that the winner of the two awards has differed (1993, 1995, 2006), it "makes sense"; Greg Norman was splitting his time amongst different tours in the 90s and twice played 50-59 rounds, failing to qualify for the Vardon but making it for the Nelson. Similarly, in 2006 Tiger Woods took a hiatus when his father died and came up short of the 60-round minimum. MrArticleOne (talk) 20:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- There were other requirements besides rounds at different times. I've never been able to find a definitive source of how the requirements have changed over time. See [1] for and example of 1965 requirements. Tewapack (talk) 21:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- I sent an e-mail asking Kerry Haigh of the PGA of America. Here is what he said: "I am not currently in the office to confirm, but these situations will almost certainly have been caused by the teo players withdrawing from an event during a round. If a player were to do so, he was no longer eligible to win the Vardon Trophy. I hope this helps." MrArticleOne (talk) 12:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- That doesn't seem to be the case with Mr. Frost in 1987, though; he had no WDs that year. See http://www.pgatour.com/players/s/?/00/13/78/results MrArticleOne (talk) 13:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Payne Stewart did have several WDs in 1989, though. http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/21/46/results/1989.html MrArticleOne (talk) 13:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- There were other requirements besides rounds at different times. I've never been able to find a definitive source of how the requirements have changed over time. See [1] for and example of 1965 requirements. Tewapack (talk) 21:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Added details of 1987 (had to be a PGA of America member to be eligible) and 1989 (mid-round withdrawal) with refs. Tewapack (talk) 21:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Adjusted scoring average[edit]
Does anyone know how this is calculated? I've googled it but can't find an explanation anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.194.106 (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- From the PGA Tour stat page for scoring average [2]
- "The weighted scoring average which takes the stroke average of the field into account. It is computed by adding a player's total strokes to an adjustment and dividing by the total rounds played. The adjustment is computed by determining the stroke average of the field for each round played. This average is subtracted from par to create an adjustment for each round. A player accumulates these adjustments for each round played." Tewapack (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Inconsistency with pre-1987 minimum rounds[edit]
The article says "... after the 1987 season. The minimum rounds required also dropped from 80 to 60 at that time" but the table below just says "Scoring Average(60 round minimum)" from 1980 to 1987, which is a little confusing. Nigej (talk) 09:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)