Talk:Veere Di Wedding

This page was proposed for deletion by Banab2018 (talk · contribs) in the past with the comment:
this article is very small to have a new page, it is just one of the many Bollywood movies which release every year
It was contested by Kvng (talk · contribs) on 2018-05-12 with the comment:
Not a small article. Many Bollywood movies are notable.

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Proposal for deletion[edit]

Why do you think this is a notable movie? This more looks like a promo page right now, wikipedia should not be used as a promo page--Banab2018 (talk) 18:03, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Music parameter[edit]

I'm summoning @Cyphoidbomb: to the rescue.

Please read this.

Though it had been discussed in the WT:ICTF before.

Krimuk2.0 wants to include the names of the artists which are involved just in the soundtrack album to the infobox of the film. He says that:

Soundtrack is an integral part of every Indian film. It’s not a separate entity.

Yes, he is right but the statement is ridiculous seeing the fact that we have also got a separate infobox for the soundtrack album. So why is he pushing soundtrack related data to the film's infobox?

@Krimuk2.0: You asked who is Arijit Dutta? Well, he is just a newcomer to the Hindi film industry and he is definitely not Arijit Singh. Also by removing his name from film infobox's music parameter you are straight away depriving that person of his credit for his work and it looks more like a conspiracy against him. Can't you see the trailer and film's credits? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 02:10, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See the infobox for FA-class articles such as Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge, Kahaani, Mughal-E-Azam, etc. Also, comment on content instead of spouting rubbish like "you are straight away depriving that person of his credit for his work and it looks more like a conspiracy against him". --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: Since you were discussing non-relevant things, I thought it better not to reply. Actually, the problem is that you don't wanna listen to me, all you are doing is give me some hard time due to our previous arguments and edit wars, and look you even reported me. Now, I think it should be better to call for third opinion. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So you should have waited for others to respond before reverting again. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 09:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: I'd listed this discussion for a third opinion, now let's see what a clerk from there have to say. Talking about other articles is totally other stuff. I could've also given an example like Black Panther (film) and asked why don't they have Kendrick Lamar's name in the music parameter of the film's infobox? But no, both the cases are different. Also all those FA class articles you had cited here in your first reply are of no use since those films are not of this era and all the information is not directly available for verification. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 10:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kahaani is not of this era? Which era is it from? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: And it has begun, look now we are talking about totally other stuff. Do you want technical details? Also, with your permission can I remove Vishal-Shekhar's name from film's music parameter there? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? That makes no sense. Why will you remove that? Try and keep up. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: I have my technical reasons. Need explanation? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 14:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, do explain and then get consensus to change it. If not, it will stay the way it is. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: I can explain but the problem is that I want you to understand it so that you won't create any problems for me on other pages. But seeing your behaviour towards me, I don't think you will compromise so I won't waste my time unless a clerk from third opinion comes here asks for it himself/herself/itself. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 04:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0:@Harshrathod50: Hi all, answering your request for a third opinion. Per Template:Infobox film the only music related information in the info box should read "Music by Shashwat Sachdev", the rest of the information should not be included in the info box, but may be discussed in the body of the article. ^†Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk 02:23, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Basilosauridae: I think you are mistaken. Actually, it is Arijit Dutta who composed the original score. Though the instructions in Template:Infobox film/doc clearly write that "composers credited for 'additional music' and song writers should not be included." But Krimuk2.0 won't listen. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 02:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

can you provide a citation for that? IMDB lists it as the person I said, but I didn’t look too far into that aspect. In any case, it should have whoever is credited as “music by” or whatever the Bollywood equivalent is. ^†Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk 04:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

please see the music credits here. That’s what the infobox should say. There is also no mention of Arijit Dutta. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 05:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~This is correct. It should just list Shashwat Sachdev.~~^†Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk 07:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The reference says "four [songs] are composed by Shashwat Sachdev, two by Vishal Mishra and one each by Qaran and White Noise." So why just single out Shashwat Sachdev, Basilosauridae? --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~standard movie crediting conventions and Wikipedia policy.~~ redacted. See below ^†Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk 08:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Basilosauridae: Please don't reach into conclusions. Actually Krimuk2.0 is misleading you. That article is written is just for films soundtrack album. Why don't you check the end credits of the official trailer [here] (in the last 10 seconds). You will find his name in bold letters there. I'm summoning @Cyphoidbomb: to get his opinion and ask him for proper proof checking. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 08:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After looking into further, I see that there are multiple people credited with music for this movie, and the person I said it just the person who contributed the most. As it stands, if I had to choose what to do by myself, I would credit the 4 names at the end of the trailer provided above. I think you should open this up as a request for comment to attract more input from other editors if you don’t agree. What I can say currently, is there is no support that Mr. Dutta should be considered for being credited. His name does appear in bold, but under “lyrics” and not “music”. ^†Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk 08:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Basilosauridae: I have got an IMBDb account and I have requested my edits on that page of Veere Di Wedding. Dutta's name will be visible there soon. I'm summoning @Vivek Ray: to make his investigations and also provide his input if he wants to. Please search Arijit Dutta on IMDb and provide your input, thankyou. Yes, you are right about Sachdev's contributions but he is named at many places in this article to show our enough appreciation of his work. Excluding Dutta's name would be extreme injustice to his credited work. I think we should just follow the instructions on Template:Infobox film/doc and everything is fine. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 08:34, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents... Basilosauridae, you have mistaken Anvita Dutt under 'Lyrics' as Mr. Dutta — too similar name, easy to get confused! Arijit Dutta is indeed credited as 'Background Music Director'.

Said that, though the infobox template says to name the music scorer, for Indian films, I prefer both the composer of songs and background music to be credited in the infobox (too cluttered!) because in India, songs are more prominent and more important than the background score, contrary to what is done in West where background music is more important. In Indian context, generally the term 'Music by' means the composer of songs, and not the background composer, as done in Hollywood or other film industries. Even award shows are designed in that way. Indian awards have "Best Music Director" for songs' composers. In Academy/BAFTA awards, "Best Original Score/Music" is given to background composer. Separate awards are given for background music (India) and songs (Academy). Maybe that's why it is the way it is in the infobox film template.

Going back to Arijit Dutta, he is credited as composer of Airlift on IMDb and Airlift (film) has his name in the infobox — in my prefered way!Vivek Ray (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Vivek. I concur with you and that has been my preference all along as well. (I was unaware of Arijit Dutta’s credit before this, so thanks for pointing that out too.) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I am defeated, sorry for wasting everyone's time. The best thing I can do is to compromise. I have no energy now to argue with more people because I'm currently busy with other stuff on real life. I think the only reason you all people are integrated because that preferred edit looks nice. Accessibility goes to hell, who cares? At least other country film articles aren't inflicted with this problem. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]