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Fun thought[edit]

Fun thought -- it is not unknown for people to order a veggie burger with bacon. Haikupoet 04:41, 30 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article focuses too heavily on the idea of veggie burgers being a 'substitute' for meat burgers, when many varieties (particularly 'spicy bean burgers') have their own distinctive taste. I am not vegetarian but will sometimes have a veggie burger (or any other 'vegetarian' option for that matter) simply because it's what I want to have.

Might also be worth a mention that at McDonald's at least, it often takes them longer to prepare the veggie burgers, since they have to be cooked to order due to low demand. 128.232.250.254 23:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Often it is good to have things cooked to order.--Badmuthahubbard 21:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

under benefits, health reasons is listed. This may or may not be correct but no reasons are provided to give a definite conclusion. BadCRC 01:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

good now? Bob A 00:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
well that is fixed but the whole moral reasons still kinda make it not NPOV, although I suppose it is sufficient. BadCRC 01:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mcdonaldsindia link is broken, and it does not seem like there is a new, appropriate link. As this is a rference, I am not sure how it should be fixed. Any susggestions? Bjjohns (talk) 18:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns about Soy Consumption and This Article[edit]

A user named Kellen, who is apparently a vegan, has removed information from this article that disputes the health benefits of soy-based burgers. Since soy-based burgers comprise the majority of veggie burgers sold in markets, at least in my part of the world, and are marketed as "health food," the debate about their safety is certainly relevant. What I wrote was just a blurb linked to Wikipedia's main article about soy. Kellen's logic that all comments about soy-safety should be limited to an article about the raw ingredient "soy" and not articles about the most popular soy products seems highly specious. If Kellen feels that there is other evidence that exonerates soy consumption as safe, I suggest that Kellen add this information and expand the article. --ManicBrit 19:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your citations are questionable and as I said (a) in my edit summary and (b) on the veganism talk page, the dangers of soy consumption belong in the article on soy, not in articles on every possible product which contains soy. KellenT 08:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


They do not have the same taste and texture as a real meat burger.

as a vegetarian this is not always a bad thing...

In the same way as some veggie burgers are similar to meat is not necessarily a good thing. Which is the same point as above - this article is written from a meat eaters POV - or at least it seems that way - I will have a reread and suggest alternatives. Ophelia105 19:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that we want the definition (what veggieburgers ARE), and they are not necessarily soyburgers, nor do they necessarily include ANY soy, or excess salt or oil. That there is prevalence (to measure) of culinary characteristics may be worthy of note in a balanced article. However, IMO, that ought not to supersede the clear (i) scoping out the definition and history and notability of plant-based burgers as a meatless sandwich and (ii) documenting some of the issues that emerge(d) along the way (including health concerns; surely veggieburgers and faux foods are not inherent in a whole foods plant-bsed diet - WFPB, but commercial marketers make much of 'transitional foods', even if they are not optimally healthful paths away from meat consumption). MaynardClark (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tastes like a real burger?[edit]

Are there any veggie burgers that tast like real burgers cause i tried a boca burger and was left un satisfied. I think I'll go eat a burger when wendys opens up --151.203.252.243 13:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've tasted dozens of veggie burgers, and the one that most resembles beef (as far as I can remember the taste of beef) is/was made by Bird's Eye, but only in the UK. The Veggie Burger available in MacDonald's in the UK is also pretty meat-like. Wordwide, Linda McCartney veggie burgers (and even more so, sausages) are perhaps the best choice for somebody looking for a meat-like burger experience. However, I think that one should consider that a beefburger has its own taste, just a chicken burger has its own taste, so there's nothing wrong with a veggie burger having its own taste. And there are hundreds of styles of veggie burgers, each with a different taste and texture. A veggie burger is an alternative, not always just a 1 for 1 substitute for a beefburger. Taiko666 05:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New image suggestion[edit]

Veggie burger on a plate

I propose that we replace the current image on this page with this one, which I took tonight before I ate. It's a little crisper than the current one and presents the patty itself more directly. Djk3 (talk) 04:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm just going to add it, since this article doesn't seem to be very active. If anybody has any objections, do what you will.  :) Djk3 (talk) 04:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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History[edit]

Morningstar Farms claims to be the "original" veggie burger in the U.S. Not sure that's anything more than marketing hype, but it might be worth checking out if someone's interested in more detailed history. Beland (talk) 19:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vegetarian Fastfood chains (reference to on-going discussion)[edit]

Hi guys, if you're interested in the topic of a vegetarian fastfood chain restaurant list, please join the discussion here: Talk:List_of_vegetarian_restaurants. Thanks! --Never stop exploring (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2019[edit]

There's a newly burger called McVeggie pls redirect it into this article. 180.67.14.197 (talk) 02:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

History of veggieburgers[edit]

I suggest that we expand this article with (or develop a complementary article on) 'History of veggieburgers' (noting availability as dried mixes, experimentation with vegetable sandwiches, arguments about what could properly be CALLED 'a veggieburger' (vs. vegetable sandwiches, portabella mushroom sandwiches), and various forms taken by businesses trying to support emerging demand for meatless sandwiches that looked, smelled, and tasted like meat/burgers. Organizing such a discovery process ought not to be that difficult for those familiar with those times and efforts. Online discussion development has been available since at least 2014.[1][2][3][4][5] MaynardClark (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If that article exists, perhaps it should have a link to this article rather than a redirect. Is that not a commercial product? MaynardClark (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why should a commercial product from that company be featured over other products, efforts, forms of advocacy, culinary history, and formal and informal attempts that preceded the effort by a corporate burger giant getting late into the market? Let's talk a moment. Years ago, when Paul Wenner (and Steve Sinovic) were growing the Gardenburger[6][7][8][9][10] concept (starting in the early 1980s), the veggieburger efforts had been going for decades. However, when their company took the product into Asia and made it international in the mid-90s, their stock had 'shot up' to over $28/share. But with competition, it became a penny stock. They may have been the very first veggieburger to be advertised on the final two episodes of Seinfeld (which reportedly destroyed their advertising budget and gave opportunity for their competitors, such as Adventist-incubated Worthington Foods of Worthington, Ohio[11][12], later sold to Kellogg Company - 2015?, to enter the veggieburger space in a big way).[13] Thus, Kellogg Company ended up owning competitors Wholesome and Hearty Foods or Portland, Oregon, and Worthington Foods of Worthington, Ohio, and 'GardenChef' Paul Wenner (CEO of Gardenburger/Wholesome and Hearty Foods) become a consultant to Kellogg Company. Paul Wenner went on to found another food company, GardenChef Paul, which is active incubating experimental green vegan foods.

See also:

IMO, the long history of the Seventh-Day Adventists in vegetarian and vegan food production is part of the history of meatless foods including plantmilks and veggieburgers, and thus part of America's religious history, also. MaynardClark (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes a history section needs to be added, no need for a separate article. Greg Sams may have been the first to use the term VegeBurger [1] but the idea of meatless burgers had been around a long time before. I would be interested in tracing the history of this. I have seen an old cookbook from the early 1900s giving a recipe for a meatless burger. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Depression Era cookbooks included a number of (future-looking?) vegan-compliant recipes (cakes, breads, stews, entrees, etc.). Perhaps veggieburgers or vegeburgers (the spelling I had first encountered) can be found there. I recall one vegan from the 1970s describing 'vegeburgers' as 'bean and grain pancakes, cooked to solidity on a grill or in a frying pan.' MaynardClark (talk) 05:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Smith A.K. The History of the Veggie Burger: Now mainstream, the hippie food changed vegetarian culture forever in 1982. SmithsonianMag.Com. March 19, 2014
  2. ^ Behind the Rise of Plant-Based Burgers: Awesome Burger is poised to leap into an ever-expanding market. Eater.com, Sep 6, 2019, 6:54pm EDT
  3. ^ Lam P. Finally Revealed! The Amazing History of the Veggie Burger (With Recipes). OneGreenPlanet.org. 2013
  4. ^ Devenyns J. Veggie Burgers Are More Than Meat Substitutes, They're Bites of History. September 11, 2017
  5. ^ The History of the Veggie Burger. Brut. 08/23/2019 6:19 AM.
  6. ^ Gardenburger, Inc. History. Funding Universe. International Directory of Company Histories, Vol. 33. St. James Press, 2000.
  7. ^ Battistella E. Gardenburger Inc. The Oregon Encyclopedia. Last updated on Aug. 22, 2019.
  8. ^ Wenner, Paul. "Food For Thought." Business Start-Ups Magazine, March 1, 1997.
  9. ^ [Gonzalez, Cristine. "Gardenburger to shut down production in Portland." Oregonian, March 3, 1999, C01]
  10. ^ "Gardenburger Files for Bankruptcy." Associated Press, October 17, 2005.
  11. ^ Balu R. and O'Connell V. Gardenburger's Big Advertising May Boost Worthington's Sales. The Wall Street Journal. Updated May 20, 1998 12:01 am ET
  12. ^ Showalter K. Worthington Foods expands appetite for institutional sales. Business First. BizJournals. June 1, 1998
  13. ^ Schultz A. Gardenburger's Bad Bet If you borrow big and buy big ads, you could end up in big trouble. CNN.com. December 1, 1999

Future of Veggieburgers[edit]

The future is slated to become part of history. Veggie Burgers Market – Applications Insights by 2025 distinguishes veggieburgers[1] by (a) producer (not retailers), (b) types of veggieburger products, (c) locations (continents) where products are sold and (d) types of retailers or wholesalers supplied. This is surely not a complete or exhaustive analysis, but it's far more comprehensive than many resources that could be studied for developing a higher quality Wikipedia article.

Segment by Producers

Segment by Regions

  • North America
  • Europe
  • China
  • Japan

Segment by Type

  • Mushroom Veggie Burgers
  • Portobello Mushroom Burgers
  • Potato and Bean Veggie Burgers
  • Tofu Veggie Burgers
  • Vegan Black Bean Burgers
  • Vegetable Veggie Burgers
  • Others

Segment by Application

  • Supermarkets/Hypermarkets
  • Convenience Stores
  • Independent Retailers
  • Online Sales
  • Others

See also:

References

  1. ^ Supriya (Supriya@FactMR.com). Veggie Burgers Market – Applications Insights by 2025. Pro News Time: Pro Market Reports News. January 23, 2020

Why the emphasis on MacDonalds?[edit]

Macdonald's 'pulped vegetables in breadcrumbs' are the last burger-like of all common offers -they don't even call it a burger themselves. KFC have quorn fillets, Burger King has meat-free but convincing burger and a hummus burger option. Indeed most chains and small outlets have a 'burger like' option, but not MacDonalds. Stub Mandrel (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2020[edit]

Hi, just requesting to edit (or for someone to edit on my behalf) - there is a broken link for Reference #8 at the bottom of the page: 8. ^ Hungry Jack's. "Veggie Burger". Archived from the original on 5 May 2009. Retrieved 7 May 2009.


The link with the title "The Original" is broken - please re-link to Hungry Jacks' current vegetarian burger which is https://www.hungryjacks.com.au/menu/whopper/rebel-whopper

Thanks! Liv5529 (talk) 03:45, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: That is not an error. Original sources go offline all the time, which is why the reference uses the "archived from..." language. The original link is preserved for attribution purposes. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:49, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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