Talk:Ventile

Tone of voice[edit]

This sounds like a sales pitch 178.250.222.130 (talk) 08:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, some of the facts seem also to be plainly wrong, such as the claim that it is a waterproof material despite the absence of laminating or coating, since the fiber is in fact coated by a DWR (as mentioned later in the article) and actually not considered truly waterproof.

In addition, most of the references themselves link to the Ventile website or some retailers using the fabric, but not to independent sources. NGC2419 (talk) 05:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The facts are well sourced, and the degree of "waterproofness" explained. The sourcing is fine for the technical detail, - Roxy the dog 06:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that the fact are well sourced, since most them come from the Ventile website itself or websites that have an interest in marketing it as an exceptional fabric.

The degree of waterproofness might be explained but the tone still very much sounds like a sales pitch as mentioned above (for example: "achieve measurements no less than 750mm" or "to dramatically improve the garment's weatherproof protection").

Some other facts are simply wrong or not backed up by reliable source:

- "its properties were also found to be ideal for pilots' immersion suits." -> not backed up by any evidence. The reference given here is the own Ventile website. There are some sources mentioning trials of Ventile for immersion suits but with mixed results. (https://tc.canada.ca/en/marine-transportation/marine-safety/chapter-2-how-can-we-protect-four-physilogical-stages-cold-water-immersion)

- "it is not coated or laminated" -> simply wrong since it is coated with a DWR.

- "Ventile is still used in military uniforms, especially for pilots flying over water" -> again, no reliable source for that. NGC2419 (talk) 10:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You dont believe manufacturers for simple facts? Gosh. - Roxy the dog 14:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe their specification sheets (https://ventile.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Ventile-Sustainable-Spec-Sheet-Nov2022-WEB.pdf), but the history part is not corroborated by any external source. The Ventile website mentions that their fabric was used as early as 1943 for RAF pilots' immersion suits. However, the earliest mention of Ventile use for immersion suits in archived documents of the British Ministry of Defence dates back to 1984.

In addition, there are still some inaccuracies in the article regardless of whether what the Ventile website says is factual or not. NGC2419 (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You need to find some source that is reliable, and supports your thoughts, before any major changes are made to the article.

As regards the DWR, impregnation is different from coating or laminating. The article is clear on that too. - Roxy the dog 16:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]