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Unreliable sources[edit]

The sources added in here, including Hayatus Sahaba by Hadrat Muhammad Yusuf Sahib Kandhalwi and published by Idara Ishaàt Deenyaat are partisan works advancing the authors' religious views through polemical and one-sided arguments. These are not considered reliable sources on Wikipedia. What constitutes a reliable source here is, for example, explained in Wikipedia:No_original_research#Reliable_sources. As a rule of thumb, a book published by an accredited university publisher or by a scholar affiliated with such an institute would be considered reliable on Wikipedia. Albertatiran (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Albertatiran, is that link enough from Robert B. Spencer?^[1] 116.58.205.26 (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

and also this^[2] 116.58.205.26 (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of these people are academics and neither of these publishers are university publishers. I'm even more concerned about the lack of WP:NPOV in your edits. Albertatiran (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Albertatiran Does this work by Hans Köchler from International Progress Organization? he is a professor of University of Innsbruck.^[3]

Thanks. Let me read this and write back to you shortly. Albertatiran (talk) 16:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Albertatiran, I think it will contain on sunni views. See this (https://sunnah.com/nasai:4194), this (https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2863) and this (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4340) link. 103.67.157.198 (talk) 08:13, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it seems reasonable to use Hans Köchler as a source in the Sunni section. Here is one suggestion: "In Sunni Islam, the verse is linked to the appointment of Abd-Allah ibn Hudhafah to command a detachment in the Muslim army by Muhammad.^[4]" One could also add there the author's views about authority in Islam, starting on page 78. Albertatiran (talk) 17:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC) Albertatiran (talk) 17:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The new content here is again unreliable and will be removed soon. Hadith collections are considered primary per MOS:ISLAM, and thus considered unreliable on Wikipedia. They can only be cited through reliable secondary (or tertiary) sources. Albertatiran (talk) 17:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Spencer, Robert (13 July 2021). Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam’s Obscure Origins—Revised and Expanded Edition. Bombardier Books. ISBN 978-1-64293-854-8. Retrieved 13 December 2022.
^ Hayward, Joel (10 March 2022). The Leadership of Muhammad: A Historical Reconstruction. Claritas Books. p. 31. ISBN 978-1-905837-48-9. Retrieved 13 December 2022.
^ Köchler, Hans (1982). The Concept of Monotheism in Islam and Christianity. International Progress Organization. p. 80. ISBN 978-3-7003-0339-8. Retrieved 14 December 2022.
^ Köchler 1982, p. 80.

[1] Spencer, Robert (13 July 2021). Did Muhammad Exist?: An Inquiry into Islam’s Obscure Origins—Revised and Expanded Edition. Bombardier Books. ISBN 978-1-64293-854-8. Retrieved 13 December 2022.

[2] Hayward, Joel (10 March 2022). The Leadership of Muhammad: A Historical Reconstruction. Claritas Books. p. 31. ISBN 978-1-905837-48-9. Retrieved 13 December 2022.

[3] Köchler, Hans (1982). The Concept of Monotheism in Islam and Christianity. International Progress Organization. p. 80. ISBN 978-3-7003-0339-8. Retrieved 14 December 2022.

[FOOTNOTEKöchler198280-4] Köchler 1982, p. 80.

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