Talk:Visible Music College
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This is Jwonfire. How can I make this article less like an advertisment, and more like general information? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks! Jwonfire (talk) 08:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, please check User_talk:Jwonfire for some tips on creating your first article on Wikipedia. Especially helpful are: WP:NPOV, WP:RS. Best regards. --OliverTwisted 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I made some revisions, hopefully they all match up, and this entry is as factual as possible. Are the sources I have listed thus far fairly stable? Thanks again.
--Jwonfire (talk) 02:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
In the process of cleaning up Visible School page.--65.4.240.70 (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Moved from my talk page[edit]
You recently made an edit to Visible Music College changing the "country" parameter from "United States" to "U.S." Your edit summary simply read "MOS:ACRO". Can you please tell me how that is relevant? The guideline says that we can use "U.S." but I don't see where it says that we should or must do so (in fact, it encourages us to "United States:" "Using United States instead of an acronym is often better formal writing style, and is an opportunity for commonality."). Nearly every article about a college or university in the United States uses "United States" in the infobox and I'm not sure why we'd want this article to be different. ElKevbo (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- @ElKevbo: Please see the section that starts, "For these commonly-referred-to entities, the full name does not need to be written out in full on first use, nor provided on first use in parentheses after the full name if written out." You will see that "United States" can be abbreviated. There's also a link to MOS:US. Since infoboxes have a limited space, it's even better not to use the full name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that is part of what I am referring when I say that the guideline says that we can use the abbreviation but it doesn't say that we should or must. And the guideline goes on to recommend that we use "United States." So again I ask: Why should we change what was in this infobox particularly when it was consistent with what is in the same infobox for nearly every other college and university article? ElKevbo (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I can, and I did. Why shouldn't we change it? It's shorter causing the location to be on one line. The guideline states that we should use the full name in prose, and the infobox is not prose. Without a guideline, MoS, etc., that says we should not or most not, you're making too much of this and I have no plans to revert that change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Upon revisiting the MoS, it actually reads "the full name does not need to be written out in full on first use, nor provided on first use in parentheses after the full name if written out" (emphasis mine). Nowhere does it stat that it "can" be used. Since it does not need to be written out in full, why would we? Are you suggesting someone might confuse it with another nation? Is it confusing because both Memphis and Tennessee are linked right next to it, and they both spell the nation out in full, so if a reader were somehow confused, they could click on those links to determine which U.S. the infobox is referencing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know what other readers, particularly those from countries outside of the U.S. and those whose first language is not English, make of this abbreviation so (as the MOS says) it's a kindness to be explicit. Since the guideline doesn't mandate using the abbreviation, we should err on the sides of (a) clarity for all readers and (b) consistency with other similar articles. Whether the location is on one line is a relatively minor consideration especially since the infobox will be rendered differently for each editor e.g., what fits on one line in someone's 4k monitor is very different from what will fit in one line on that same person's phone.
- Additionally, you reverted an edit and cited a guideline that doesn't explicitly support your edit. Asking for clarification isn't "making too much of this" when you didn't provide an explanation in your edit summary.
- Am I correct in understanding your reasoning to be (a) it makes the infobox more concise, (b) the MOS doesn't explicitly prohibit this, and (c) it's unlikely that any reader will be confused by the abbreviation? ElKevbo (talk) 05:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- You've read my reasons above and I read yours as WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and you're misreading what the MoS states. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:36, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- As for consistency, I can quite easily change all instances of "United States", or worse, "[[:United States]]" to U.S. so they all follow the MoS.
- As for clarity for all readers, this the English project and it is assumed that clear grasp of the languages is possessed by all readers of articles on this project, and in the likelihood that we encounter the one person on this planet of more than 7 :billion people who are unfamiliar with what "U.S." stands for and that person can neither determine what a "location" is, cannot determine that "U.S." applies to a location and that location represents the "United States", I will gladly explain it to them.
- Finally, the MoS makes it clear that this location is a "commonly-referred-to entity" and it assumes that readers of articles on this project will understand it. Your argument, therefore, is not with me, but the editors who crated that part of the MoS. It certainly is a good thing that this discussion was moved here rather than on my talk page (another thing you did not read nor understand was my edit notice asking you to start the discussion here), because I would have long ago dismissed it as irrelevant. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- The MoS clearly doesn't support your edit but if you want to misread it, waste your time, and make our articles all a little bit harder to read then I'm not going to stand in your way. (And yes, I read and ignored the dismissive header on your User Talk page; this conversation went just about as expected given the friendly and collaborative tone that it set from the beginning.) ElKevbo (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- You self-deluded individual. You ignored the edit notice because you wanted to hide the conversation in a corner. I'm interpreting the MoS correctly and the discussion has been a waste of time as you clearly do not understand the MoS as it plainly states "United States" ... "does not need to be written out in full". When you accept that, you'll be happier. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- The MoS clearly doesn't support your edit but if you want to misread it, waste your time, and make our articles all a little bit harder to read then I'm not going to stand in your way. (And yes, I read and ignored the dismissive header on your User Talk page; this conversation went just about as expected given the friendly and collaborative tone that it set from the beginning.) ElKevbo (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- You've read my reasons above and I read yours as WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and you're misreading what the MoS states. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:36, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Upon revisiting the MoS, it actually reads "the full name does not need to be written out in full on first use, nor provided on first use in parentheses after the full name if written out" (emphasis mine). Nowhere does it stat that it "can" be used. Since it does not need to be written out in full, why would we? Are you suggesting someone might confuse it with another nation? Is it confusing because both Memphis and Tennessee are linked right next to it, and they both spell the nation out in full, so if a reader were somehow confused, they could click on those links to determine which U.S. the infobox is referencing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I can, and I did. Why shouldn't we change it? It's shorter causing the location to be on one line. The guideline states that we should use the full name in prose, and the infobox is not prose. Without a guideline, MoS, etc., that says we should not or most not, you're making too much of this and I have no plans to revert that change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, that is part of what I am referring when I say that the guideline says that we can use the abbreviation but it doesn't say that we should or must. And the guideline goes on to recommend that we use "United States." So again I ask: Why should we change what was in this infobox particularly when it was consistent with what is in the same infobox for nearly every other college and university article? ElKevbo (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
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they expelled a student who was raped for having premarital with a student[edit]
“When Mara Louk told an administrator at Visible Music College, where she was a senior, that a male classmate had choked and raped her last November, she expected that school officials would help her file a police report and arrange a safety plan. Instead, she said in a federal complaint filed with the U.S. Department of Education on Wednesday, administrators at Visible, a Christian college in Memphis, Tennessee, accused her of breaking school rules against premarital sex with a different student, an ex-boyfriend“ 2601:243:E80:6F40:68F9:23F0:D54B:47C0 (talk) 13:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Louk filed a sexual assault report with Memphis police on Nov. 4, law enforcement records show. The following week, an officer called Louk to tell her that they did not have enough evidence to make an arrest, she said. The Memphis Police Department did not respond to a request for comment. The accused assailant is not being named because he hasn’t been charged with a crime. Attempts by NBC News to reach him were unsuccessful. On Nov. 15, a Visible Music College administrator told Louk and her parents that because police declined to charge the accused student, “there’s really nothing we can do at this point, so he will be attending classes like normal,” according to an audio recording of the meeting shared by Simon. Another administrator said if Louk disagreed, she should “take it up with the Memphis Police Department.” 2600:1700:7610:41E0:1B7:3A0B:81B7:2722 (talk) 17:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)