Talk:Wetherspoons

Beaconsfield services

Should the one that opened there be mentioned? .tla htuos ylpmiS (klat) htron yltluciffiD 12:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

It currently is. MPS1992 (talk) 19:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Fires at Weatherspoon's

I would like to add some information to this section to high light the very large volume of fire incidents that are occurring in my favorite pub chain but am uncertain on how best to add this to this page my first attempt was swiftly swept away

Just a quick search of the internet shows how many

• New Cross Turnpike Pub Welling A fire broke out in the boiler room more than a 100 fire fighters from London Fire brigaded talked the fire on 31/08/2015
• Myrtle Grove pub Bingley Fire crews were called to deal with a early morning fire in 2 fat fryers 31/08/2015
• Midsummer Boulevard Pub Milton Keynes had a small electrical fire in there electric cupboard on 04/07/2015
• The Prince of Wales pub Cardiff was evacuated when smoke was seen issueing from the basement 6 fire engines attended the cause was contractors working in the basement 23/06/2015
• The John Wallace Linton pub Newport 6 fire engines attended a fire on the premises 05/06/2015
• Tivoli Pub Cambridge was badly damaged by fire it took over 50 Fire fighters to bring the blaze under control on the 14/03/2015

Regards Mark (Tool Time Mark (talk) 18:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC))02/09/2015

References

Thank you very much for bringing this to the Talk page. I am not an expert and I am sure others will be along to help but, for what it's worth, my own view is that it doesn't sound like a notable enough trend to be in this article. It seems like there are five fires in more than 1000 properties - is that a lot? Even if it is a lot it's not a conclusion that we, as an encyclopaedia, can draw - because we don't do original research; we just report on what others have written in reliable sources. So maybe if there was an article in, say, a reputable newspaper commenting on the apparent trend, then there might be something to say there, but I don't think we can put a bit in the article saying that we have noticed this trend. Sorry, and please bear in mind that others may well disagree with me, and if you can get consensus for what you want to add, then you're sorted! Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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Article title should be 'J D Wetherspoon' ?

Although often referred to colloquially as "Wetherspoons" (amongst other nicknames), the chain's name doesn't have an S on the end. This is a British form of slang when referring to places, for example, Tesco is sometimes colloquially known as "Tescos" and Marks & Spencer is sometimes called "Marks & Spencers". CityFeedback ^talk 14:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@CityFeedback: I have brutally edited the article to be consistent in using "Wetherspoons" because it was using at least three different forms of the name with no consistency. I loathe the illiterate slang of "Ford's" and the rest of it, so I would be open to a more sensible approach. But, what should it be as the title and what should it be when used in the article itself? MPS1992 (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@MPS1992: I think the article title should be "J D Wetherspoon" and should be referred to as "Wetherspoon" in the article, eg. "a Wetherspoon pub". My main problem with it is that there shouldn't be an S on the end. CityFeedback ^talk 11:29, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I think you are probably right, but, I have not moved a possibly-contested mainspace page before, so I am rather cautious. I notice from the article history that the article title has been changed back and forth once every few years. @SilkTork: @Thumperward: do you have any thoughts on this, especially the article title? MPS1992 (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

There is sometimes a conflict between common name and business name. WP:COMMONNAME is the policy we use for situations like this. WP:OFFICIALNAMES is the guideline for why we don't always use the official name. The name "Wetherspoons" is widely used across all media - it's not slang (the slang term is 'Spoon), it's an accepted and widely used term for the chain. Examples: thisismoney, Telegraph, Mirror, Independent, Express, Evening Standard, The Times, Sunday Times, Brewers, Brands and the pub in their hands By Tony Thornton, British Parliament discussions, etc. Also used, though less common is "Wetherspoon's" - BBC. "J D Wetherspoon" is also widely used, and both "J D Wetherspoon" and "Wetherspoons" will be used in the same article, especially by newspapers who tend to use "Wetherspoons" to identify the chain, and then "J D Wetherspoon" to give the chain its formal name. Casual Google sampling (difficult to get accurate as there are hundreds of individual J D Wetherspoon pub websites) suggests that usage of "Wetherspoons" is more than double that of "J D Wetherspoon" in sources, and that usage will be much greater among the population as a whole as folks tend not to say "There's a new J D Wetherspoon in town, " but "There's a new Wetherspoons in town" (or "There's a new 'Spoon in town"). SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 06:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

It is not slang 'https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45518774' look at this article the BBC refer to the chain as Wetherspoons and as you can see the pub in the photo is branded as 'Wetherspoons'

Internally they always refer to themselves singularly i.e Wetherspoon, this should surely be the correct shortened version of their full name JD Wetherspoon. Any pub branded as 'Wetherspoons' is actually called that in the same way it could be called the 'Dog and Duck'. PaulMac9 (talk) 22:46, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

It absolutely should be "Wetherspoon" - that is the name of the brand, and the name written on all 40+ Wetherspoon pubs I have visited personally, and done "Mystery Diner" visits for.

I edited the article some weeks ago, but the changes were reverted.

Just because lazy journalists write "Wetherspoons", doesn't mean that it's correct. Perhaps even 1 of their once 900+ pubs incorrectly had "Wetherspoons" written, that doesn't mean that it is the correct spelling.

The article title should be J D Wetherspoon, or Wetherspoon, and all references to its pubs should also be one or the other, not "Wetherspoons". 82.1.209.83 (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia we use WP:COMMONNAME. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2016

Wetherspoons → Wetherspoon – Wetherspoons is slang. It is not used by the company. cagliost (talk) 14:48, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

See section immediately above. MPS1992 (talk) 19:13, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• This is a waste of time. SilkTork has argued cogently above that the current article name is clearly in compliance with WP:COMMONNAME. Edwardx (talk) 22:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• I think this is a simple mistake. cagliost must have missed the discussion above. I'll let him know. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 22:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• Right you are, I did miss it. cagliost (talk) 09:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

It is not slang 'https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45518774' look at this article the BBC refer to the chain as Wetherspoons and as you can see the pub in the photo is branded as 'Wetherspoons' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 10:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Should this be Weatherspoon?  The article begins by saying that Weatherspoon is correct, but doesn't use that. Nor does the Tim Martin article. Crisper23 (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Oversized Pint Glasses

The article claims that Weatherspoons introduced oversized pint glasses in 1998. That would be more of a re-introduction as I can clearly remember oversized glasses with "pint to line" markings existing well before that, even during my youth in the early 1980's when I could only accompany adults in beer gardens. There were plenty still around in 1996 when I passed the legal drinking age, although their use was dwindling and you had to choose your pubs carefully. In spite of that last point, this really needs to be re-worded because they clearly didn't invent or introduce the idea of oversized glasses. The first source I can find besides personal experience is this very wiki. I will endeavour to find a credible external secondary or tertiary source if I can. 213.233.155.176 (talk) 21:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a picture of one of the old posters when I'm next at work, it won't assist with the date of the idea but perhaps may with the date they JDW introduced. 2A02:C7F:1504:5700:102F:2F37:D242:D5EB (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

List of pubs

I have started an article at List of pubs in Hampshire owned by JD Wetherspoon. If this is successful I may create similar articles in other counties too — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

MSGJ: What is the notability precedent for creating lists of places owned by a particular chain? To have this would leave the field open for lists of every Tesco, Halfords, Greene King… Rcsprinter123 (warn) 12:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Pandemic information

Editors should tread carefully when talking about the perceived controversy to do with opening or closing pubs, paying or not paying employees. I really think that an encyclopedic article should regard covid-19 discussions as 'recentism'. It is BIG in everyone's minds, because it's a recent event. However, it will pass, and Wetherspoons will still be there. I'm sure it could be mentioned briefly under 'employment practices'. The main thing to remember is that this is a description of a pub/hotel chain, not a whinge sheet for things the editor doesn't like. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Kensington Branch image

Wonder if the Picture Drome image is still relevant? It ceased to be a Weatherspoons several years ago and is now an Indian Restaurant - https://www.thepicturedromeakshaya.co.uk/ - wasn't sure if this needed to be referenced in the caption, or if the image ought to be replaced with a still-extant branch? Transatlantica (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Now removed. Dormskirk (talk) 21:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)