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Symbol[edit]

The white rose of yorkshire was invented by the lancastrians to make the civil war sound prettier the actual symbol of the house of york was i belive a boar 195.188.173.98 11:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was a sun.GordyB 21:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the white rose of yorkshire was used to portray a seemingly nicer side of the war of the roses, but the actual symbol of the House of York was a white boar. The antagoinistic house of the red rose's symbol was of a red dragon.

User: Amanda C 11:08, 27 April 2008(MHS)

The white board was Richard III's badge. He was a Yorkist but it was not the symbol of the House of York. The sun in splendour, the white rose, the falcon and fetter-lock were badges of the House of York.

Also, the red rose was not the symbol of Lancaster. It was a later invention by the Tudors. That needs to be changed as the men did not wear red roses (or even white roses for that matter), they wore their master's livery badge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.96.150.108 (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote this article? It's vague and frankly terrible. The Wars of the Roses wasn't called the Wars of the Roses until much later. The conflict didn't end when Henry joined the two roses either. The battle of Stoke in 1487 occurred two years after Bosworth and the uniting of the roses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.96.150.108 (talk) 18:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A white board? Was he in a meeting? 2A02:2788:1008:6D6:E2CB:4EFF:FE88:1A2D (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Leaves[edit]

The rose is supposed to stand on two leaves. Wikipedia has it standing on one leaf.BeeryUSA 2:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Its not supposed to stand on two, what makes you think it does? - Yorkshirian (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a urban legend that the rose stands the way it is here so that the sepals form the letter 'Y'. This though I think is only a modern myth and not the original intention. I think in recent years people started standing the flag this way simply because of this myth. It seems to all depend on what part of Yorkshire you are from though. I firmly believe that the flag should stand with a sepal at the top, therefore making the flag here upside down. If you look at the logos of the east and north riding's of Yorkshire councils they both stand the rose with one sepal at the top. (There is no west Yorkshire council so can't look at theirs). Yorkshire bank also have a logo (based on the rose) standing this way. Infact all the big (and older) institutions seem to stand the flag with one sepal at the top, whereas modern institutions stand it the other way. In my opinion the flag here is upside-down! Philb28 (talk) 09:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like tripe to me, because if you rotate it then the petals form a letter Y. With a line through. But by heraldic convention the default is a petal in the 12 position. 2A02:2788:1008:6D6:E2CB:4EFF:FE88:1A2D (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flag does not match description.[edit]

Description says a rose; flag shows a double rose. They aren't the same thing. Not a reliable source, but: "Double rose is a term used for a rose in heraldry when it has not only five petals, but additionally five petals within the outer petals. It is in essence a combination of two roses, one on top of the other. A standard heraldic rose should not be depicted this way but has only the five outer petals" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_rose — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2788:1008:6D6:E2CB:4EFF:FE88:1A2D (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]