Talk:Wii U/Archive 3

Edit question on the app store

A lot of sources are saying the wii u will have apps and an ebook store. I was wondering if it would be appropriet to include this in the article or if we should wait until nintendo confirms this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YodaFan67 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I feel like it would be okay to be mentioned very briefly in the software section, but definitely worded that a reliable source said it, not Nintendo. Sergecross73 msg me 15:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

ok thanksYodaFan67 (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

At the same time, please be careful regarding cutting and pasting material directly from the source. Your addition to this article was copying the first few sentences out of the source. I've altered it to make it original, with the linked source providing the proof of what's being said. --McDoobAU93 16:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

The Wii and 3DS already have an AppStore. It is only common sense that the Wii U will also include it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.213.64.115 (talk) 11:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

There's a very big difference in the App Store that iPhones/iPads use, and what the Wii/3DS offers. What Nintendo has done so far is considered very "bare bones/bare minimum". I think the source is referring to the fact that Nintendo may offer something more advanced with Wii U. Sergecross73 msg me 13:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Dead link

Citation 1(Wii U release date) is a dead link- it leads to a 404 error. I don't know how to fix this...can someone help? 198.228.226.192 (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Done I updated the link with one from GameSpot that should stick around a bit longer. Thanks for the tip! --McDoobAU93 04:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Wii U Pro Controller is a fake?

I mean: it is CLEAR that the picture is fake, because it mimics EXACTLY PS3's and Xbox 360. Plus, Nintendo wouldn't make it black, no matter what, and they already have the prair-friendly design from the Wii Classic Controller, which would be the one they would most likely use for Wii U. Also, according to Dorkly Bits, the Wii U Pro Controller that has been going around is a rumour, most likely by a Sonyist or Xboxist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.126.80.56 (talk) 15:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Nintendo officially announced and showed it yesterday in a video done by their global president, so it doesn't get any more official than that. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

This IP just makes me laugh to death. Trying to discount official announcements with rumors and WP:OR. Try researching what you are talking about first. Wikipedia is not a news site, and uses reliable sources or official announcements for our material. What we have here is most likely correct unless inserted by a vandal/uninformed user, in which case it would be swiftly removed on a popular article like this. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 03:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

If I didn't see the official announcement I to would think it was a fake. (note: this page will be edited so many times tomorrow).Nivlak7 (talk) 03:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's just the fact that this person wasn't just passively questioning it, but rather aggressively dismissing it, and this is one of the few things that's actually been confirmed about the system, of all things. (And yes, I plan on watching over the page more than usual, as I know it'll be chaos today. It'll be impossible to actually contribute much with all the constant editing, but I'll try to at least keep some of the garbage out...) Sergecross73 msg me 12:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Announced Games

I'm new to this wikipedia editing stuff, but I thought it would be fun. You guys seem to be missing a lot of other announced titles that were announced yesterday at E3 such as Zombie U, Call of Duty: Declasified and Assasins Creed 3 Omero2582 (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omero2582 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

That's because there's another page for the games that have been announced. See List of Wii U games. Sergecross73 msg me 20:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Show me proof that the Wii U is Launching in North America on a Friday (November 23rd)

STOP JUST PUTTING NOVEMBER 23, WHEN (1) IT'S NOT EVEN CONFIRMED, AND 2, IT'S A FRIDAY!

There's NO proof, you just, being the stupid idiots you are, just change the date to what you WANT it to be, but because you're lazy, you don't bother to actually put any sources.

Nintendo has said "Holiday 2012"

Ubisoft have said "I think it's around November".

See the second word? "THINK". The fourth word "AROUND". Do they even MENTION 23rd? Why the hell would they release a console on a Friday in the US? Consoles are ALWAYS released on a Sunday in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa (talk • contribs)

Dude, calm down. Simply revert the false changes when you see them. It's not worth attacking other editors. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

But they've done it TWICE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa (talk • contribs)

it doesnt matter i they do it hundred times dnt get so overworked over it if they repeatly do it as for page proctection, and just because its a fridays doesnt mean sometihng wouldnt launch Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The Ultimate Koopa: If anyone readds the speculation feel free to revert. I also strongly suggest looking into anger management classes in your local area. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 22:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Ultimate Koopa, you've been warned about your "ALL-CAPS" and ranting before. Please stop it. Fake release dates are, for whatever reason, widely circulated around Wikipedia, you should be used it by now. Remove it and carry on. Sergecross73 msg me 03:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Instead of being unconstructive and attacking other editors, a way better idea is to actually edit the article and remove the unsourced speculative information. CyanGardevoir ^{(used EDIT!)} 09:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Wii U Controller image

Why is an illustration being used? I don't see any reason for this, and the caption makes it sound like an actual image. ProgMM (talk) 21:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The reason for the illustration is because we have no free alternative and probably won't until the system launches. Similarly, we still don't have a free photo of the PlayStation Vita, so we use a diagram for that too. You have to remember why we have images at all on Wikipedia: to either help identify things (which is the case here, and for which a diagram is more than adequate in this case) or to convey ideas that cannot be easily put into words. Wikipedia prohibits the use of non-free images (including promo photos) if a free alternative (like the illustration) is available.

Of course if you can provide a free (i.e. one that is in the public domain or has been released under a suitable creative commons license) photo of the GamePad, then we could certainly use that instead, as a (decent) photo is certainly preferable. You never know, there may be one on Flickr (we got lucky when Kinect was announced since someone posted a pic they'd taken at E3 with an appropriate license on Flickr). We already have at least one which is currently in use in the Wii U GamePad article, but it's not really good enough to demonstrate the device itself (too much is blocked by the user's hands).

As for the caption, that can easily be changed.

Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 22:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

First off, the attitude really isn't helping. Second, there is absolutely no reason we have to use a diagram, as it's not free either, so we could just as easily use any other non-free image. Third, any image that shows the device as its primary function would not be free anyways. Freedom of panorama, which allows you to use 2D images of 3D objects, only applies if the subject of the article is not the primary focus. Those images you cite are not free images. — trlkly 09:48, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Alphaton's response was supposed to convey an attitude, he was merely giving his detailed answer to a question that was posed 3 months ago... Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama has nothing to do with an image of a game console controller. As for the issue you are actually trying to get at, it depends on the extent to which the design is dictated by function whether any creative elements of the design (that aren't too simple to be copyrightable) visible in the photograph are de minimis. Anomie⚔ 15:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, no attitude was intended. I'm not entirely sure why (although I suppose the italics for emphasis didn't help in this case), but something about the way I write often seems to imply either attitude or aggression where none actually exists. Either that or it's just well suited for people to project on to. Either way, it's not the first time it's happened and I doubt it will be the last. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 17:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Wii U Pro Controller - Origin

1) Saying that the Wii U Pro Controller is based off the Xbox 360 controller just because they have a similar shape does not make it fact and it should not be reported as one, you could just as easily say that the Xbox 360 controller is based of the Gamecube controller because they look the same (though many people have said that before).

2) It doesn't matter that Forbes is a reliable source, writers personal opinions are not reliable sources so an article where the writers is talking about how he thinks the x is a copy of y is not reliable.

-- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 11:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty undeniable that it looks very similar to the 360 controller, and we've got reliable sources aplenty making that connection. I can understand wanting to reword it, maybe saying something more like "Many sources, such as Forbes and "Source X" found it to be very similar to the 360 controller.", since Nintendo themselves haven't admitted it outright as far as I know, but the connection needs to be noted in one way or another.

Also, regarding to what you've changed it to in the past, as seen here. I find it puzzling that you're not okay with the sourced comparison to the 360 controller, but you're okay to comparing it to the gamecube controller without a source. Furthermore, it seems rather strange when you change it to "This controller was designed to emulate Nintendo's own Gamecube twin-triggered design, with their command of the "hardcore" gamer base in mind. considering Nitendo's never made any commentary to aim back to their Gamecube days, nor would that make sense, considering relative market share for that generation... Sergecross73 msg me 12:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, I hadn't slept for a few days and was trying to point out that the comparison could be made either way, I shouldn't have done that on the article and should have used the talk page.

A compromise would be "Many sources, such as Forbes and "Source X" found it to be very similar to the Xbox 360 controller while others have compared it to the Gamecube controller" -- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 14:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine by that, on the assumption there's a reliable source that makes the Gamecube controller connection as well. I haven't read that one, though I haven't searched for it either... Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

If IGN counts then (http://www.ign.com/blogs/nsm1035/2012/06/06/the-ultimate-wii-u-pro-controller) for the gamecube comparison, and nintendo says they came up with the design "And you could say that our competitive controllers look a lot like our controller," Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime told Kotaku. (source: http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/nintendo-defends-wii-u-pro-controller-design and http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions) -- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 17:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Usually IGN is a good source, but that was just a blog written by a random user on their site, not something written by an editor or staff, so you can't use that link.

The quote from Reggie in the Kotaku and Gamezone articles doesn't specifically say that the Pro Gamepad was inspired by the Gamecube controller. It just says "our controller". In fact, the Gamezone article writer goes on to literally say "Let's just be glad Nintendo had the brains to mimic its competitors and we aren't stuck with something like the Gamecube controller.".

So...I don't think any of these sources are useable for what you're getting at yet. If anything they're even more sources to be used for the rewording of the Pro/360 controller argument really... Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Since we seem to agree that the Xbox 360 information can be included if reworded, I have done so, making it clear that it was the journalists interpretation, not necessarily Nintendo's intent. I figure one of us can add a comparison to the Gamecube controller if/when we can agree on a source that explicitely says that. Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

DVD playback?

Any word on what multimedia compatibility the WII-U will have? Will the disc drive play DVD movies? Can you load compressed video from USB? SMB/Samba sharing? Ect. 24.207.129.95 (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

No 'Holiday 2012' release

In the infobox, the release date should be 'Q4 2012' instead of 'Holiday 2012' --- Holiday 2012 refers to the American holiday time which differs from e.g. Europe, so Q4 has to be used instead. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

You are correct. The explanation to the problem is that Nintendo's official word, and Wikipedia policy, are at odds. All Nintendo has said is "Holiday 2012". Wikipedia, per WP:SEASON, says that's to be avoided, and you're supposed to use things like Q4. But since that's not what Nintendo exactly said, cycles of edit warring ensue. I personally only alter it when people put down a fake/unconfirmed specific release day... Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Concur. "Holiday 2012" has a definitive meaning in western culture, but not elsewhere. Just as saying Winter 2012 would be incorrect because our Australian friends are in Winter 2012 right now, and the console hasn't been released yet. Q4 2012 is the most common-sense option until we have a confirmed launch date. --McDoobAU93 19:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done CyanGardevoir ^{(used EDIT!)} 21:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I think that is the best course of action. The only major Holiday this year I am aware of that is not Q4 is Labour Day but I would doubt that Nintendo was talking about that Holiday and I have not seen anything to support that the Wii U will come out that early either.--70.49.81.140 (talk) 05:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

European release

Currently, it says December 2012, with a source. But the source isn't Nintendo, it's a reliable source who quotes "insiders" or something. Shouldn't we keep it at the Q4 like with NA unless/until Nintendo says otherwise? Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Leave it as Q4 2012 and wait for Nintendo to announce a release date becuse it might be fake A Candela (talk) 02:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I think this should be a reliable source, but I'm not sure. I added the verify credibility tag on it. Hamez0 (talk) 06:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the problem is that it's a reliable source making a call by an "insider" or whatever. Which, could be listed as such in the paragraphs, but I don't think it should be listed as fact in the infobox unless it's official from Nintendo... Sergecross73 msg me 12:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

//Reveling in September 13th//

Nintendo is Holding an Event in New York on September 13th 2012 Reveling The Release Date For The Wii U Just Like How they Reveled The Nintendo 3DS — Preceding unsigned comment added by LionelTheDeal (talk • contribs) 08:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Source? It seems likely, but I haven't seen Nintendo themselves admit that this is what they're discussing at that time. Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

WiiU Power7

I tried to edit in Power7 to the technical details. As IBM confirmed long ago that it was being built on a custom IBM Power7 bassed chip. I think someone should help clean that up a little I am new to wiki touching up.

https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/78473693843562498 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeadFire87 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Hamez0 (talk) 20:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

That same twitter user later said that it would be using a "custom chip built on Power Architecture base." It is unclear as to whether this invalidates the information about the Wii U using a Power7 based chip. https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/248929547842641920 Iobham (talk) 04:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I feel like either way we need to find a better source than a Twitter account... Sergecross73 msg me 04:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Plenty of info on tech specs

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wiiu/console/0/3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.193.212 (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Possible US release date revealed?

I, heard a rumor that the Wii U, North America released date has possibly revealed yesterday, which is on November 11, 2012, the launch price is about either $250 to $350. Im not sure the rumor is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.97.80 (talk) 17:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

As long as it's just a rumor, it doesn't belong in the article. Trust me, when it's a major product like this, when there's an official release date, it will be all over the internet and easy to tell it's true. Sergecross73 msg me 17:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Premium or Deluxe?

I watched the presentation by Nintendo giving the details, and they said that there was a basic package and deluxe package. Going to this article, I noticed it said "Premium" instead of "deluxe." Upon further research, I found out that it was identified as "deluxe" in the US, and "Premium" in Europe. I was wondering what the best solution of what to use in the article should be. Should it be edited to say "Premium/deluxe" or just keep it the way it is because it's not much of a difference and hard to notice? Hamez0 (talk) 20:27, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh no, I hope this doesn't lead to a ton of arguing and edit warring like the huge Sega Genesis or Sega Mega Drive debate. I think using both is a little awkward to read, but I think it's a better choice than all the endless switching that will likely happen if we tried to chose one over the other... Sergecross73 msg me 20:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

The GamePad does NOT have internal storage!

Someone needs to edit the page. It says that the GamePad gets 32GB of storage, when in fact, the console just has 32GB instead of 8GB, and the GamePad has no memory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeC95 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

GamePad has some amount of flash memory, a few megs for saving Mii profile data. As a matter of fact, there is non-accessible memory on which the software that operates the gamepad is installed, if you want to go to details :) Xowets (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2012 (UTC)