Talk:William Morris/GA1

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GA Review[edit]

Hello. I'll be doing the GA review for this article. Here are some suggestions for improvement:

  • Per WP:LEAD, the lead should summarize all the main points of the article. For an article this size, it should be three or four full paragraphs.
  • His biography only has one citation. Inline citations are needed for verifiability. This applies to the entire article.
    • I've expanded the biography significantly with material from the 1911 Britannica. I'll add some polish and additional citations as time permits. - PKM (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added more citations, and expanded. - PKM (talk) 17:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. - PKM (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The legacy section needs to be expanded, so it isn't comprised of three one to two sentence paragraphs.
  • Notable collections and house museums needs to be turned into prose.
  • The pictures need to be next to the text that describes/mentions them. If there are too many pictures for this to be the case, consider trimming out the ones of lesser importance and moving them to the gallery.
    • Improved, I hope. - PKM (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And another round, with more images. - PKM (talk) 17:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done now. - PKM (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article will be on hold for seven days to make these initial changes. Nikki311 20:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks. Actually, as a contributor I oppose GA status for this article - the bio section needs serious work. - PKM (talk) 22:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree, but I thought I'd give the nominator the chance to improve. I've reviewed some articles that have gone through some pretty magnificent overhauls during the hold week. Nikki311 22:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fair enough! - PKM (talk) 21:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having expanded the biography significantly, I am withdrawing my objection in principle, though this still needs work. - PKM (talk) 00:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is now at 43KB 47KB, do we need to consider removing Kelmscott Press (wuth its list of works) to its own article? - PKM (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Expanded translations, Red House Morris & Co., textiles along with bio. Still needed, I think: More on marriage, more on Kelmscott Manor, critical assessment (in Legacy) and as Nikki stated above, a proper lead. - PKM (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think it is notable enough to have its own article, but that's up to you. I usually don't start making new articles until it hits around 60 or so. Since there is still more info to add to the areas you mentioned above, it might be a good idea. Also, I'm going to allow more than a week, since you are making so much progress. Just let me know here when you are done adding what you wanted to add, and I'll look it over for a more thorough review. Nikki311 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've reworked the "Morris Today" section as "Legacy" but that's about all I will get done this weekend. It's become very long. Perhaps the blockquote is too much? I'd appreciate your thoughts at this stage. Thanks! - PKM (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Lead expanded. We're now at 53KB, so maybe it's not too long. I still want to tighten up the prose here and there. - PKM (talk) 17:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Still to do: Morris's design aesthetic (it's in my bones, just need to find the right citations to back that up). - PKM (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think this is ready for re-review now. - PKM (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re-review[edit]

Okay. I've looked over the new/expanded version, and here are the initial things that jumped out at me:

  • The lead is too long. It is supposed to be just a summary, and right now, it reads more like a narrative.
  • I like pictures as much as the next person, but I still think there are too many. Really, there should only be pictures when it aides in the understanding of the text to which it is adjacent. All the other images can be moved to the gallery.
  • The poetry section could use some citations.
  • The couple of web sources need to be formatted with Template:cite web.

I'll check the text more in more depth when these are fixed. Nikki311 01:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • The comment about moving images to the gallery is interesting; in the FA reviews I have observed, the push is always to move images into the text. As it happens, there's a very similar gallery, only better organized, in Morris & Co., and I think I'll reduce some duplication of images.
    • Anyway, I will tackle these fixes next. - PKM (talk) 03:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • All done and ready for review again. - PKM (talk) 02:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. It is looking like a completely different article! Here are the last (I think) suggestions and/or questions:

  • The marriage and family section needs citations, especially the second paragraph.
    • Done (expanded a bit and added citations). - PKM (talk) 04:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Defence of Guenevere and Other Poems - do you mean defense or is that the British-English spelling?
    • Yes that's the British spelling. - PKM (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Add a few cites in that one small section, and I'll feel very comfortable passing this to GA. Nikki311 01:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Truly impressive work. This article is now a GA. Nikki311 16:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoo-hoo!! Thank you, Nikki. - PKM (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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